[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Kakel Mbumb]

Cher Arnaud, Je ne cherche pas à dénigrer quiconque ici mais montrer
seulement ce que je trouve comme un fait qui soulève des questions
diverses. Je suis parfois les anciennes conférences internationales comme
tu le dis et même les webinaires.
Je comprends certaines questions d'ordre techniques sans avoir la
prétention d'en avoir l'exhaustivité mais je me forme au quotidien pour ça.
Ce que je constate en général est qu'il ya du flou dans certains propos
soulevés par certains. On a l'impression qu'on touche une seule
organisation et je me demande si on peut aussi un peu parler de l'apport
Positif ou négatif des autres structures et avancer.

Comment les structures que nous acccusons soutiennent-elles de manière
directe ou pas des positions pour ou contre l'intérêt de l'Afrique ?
On a récemment produit des articles sur un scandale financier de 54
millions de dollars liés à Afrinic ; comment cela peut-il aussi nous amener
en tant que communauté à y voir plus clair et proposer des meilleures
mesures d'encadrement.

Il n'ya pas de saint en toute chose on dirait.
Cordialement.
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Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 10:36, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :


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> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 08:25:22 +0000

> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>

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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> Bonjour chers Membre de cette illustre communaut?,

>

> Cher Noah, il y a un adage, chez nous  qui dit, : " Il n'y a pas de plus

> aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir" Toutes les explication et toutes

> les r?clamations que Owen feraient pour moi sont biais?es, car son jugement

> est tout entier biais?, ayant ?t? consultant et peut ?tre est toujours pay?

> pour d?fendre les int?r?ts de cette structure. Ne t'attends pas ? ce qu'il

> accepte toutes les preuves fournies dont il feint de ne pas comprendre.

> Laissons Le Staff d'Afrinic et son Board de prendre en consid?ration nos

> inqui?tudes et de faire le n?cessaire pour que les activit?s de notre si

> importante institution continentale ne soient captur?es par certaines

> structures qui ont d?j? d?montr? leur capacit? ? contr?ler certains

> responsables de cette institution. Owen devrait comprendre que tout ce

> qu'il dira ne peut ?tre objectif, car "Owen qu'on connaissait avant est

> diff?rent d'Owen d'aujourd'hui" c 'est pas moi qui l'est dit.

>

> Cordialement.

>

> "English version"

>

> Dear Noah, there is an adage here that says, "There is no one more blind

> than one who does not want to see" All the explanations and all the claims

> that Owen would make for me are biased, because his judgment is entirely

> biased, having been consultant and may be is always paid to defend the

> interests of this structure. Don't expect him to accept all the evidence he

> pretends not to understand. Let the Staff of Afrinic and its Board take

> into consideration our concerns and do what is necessary so that the

> activities of our important continental institution are not captured by

> certain structures which have already demonstrated their ability to control

> certain officials of this institution. Owen should understand that

> everything he says cannot be objective, because "Owen that we knew before

> is different from today's Owen " it was not me who said it.

>

> Regards

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> Arnaud

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> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 08:35:34 +0000

> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

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> Je n'ai pas l'impression que Kakel parle d'une situation qu'il comprend,

> pour preuve sa comparaison d'une institutions international ? une fondation

> appartenant ? une soci?t? commerciale priv?e qui a des int?r?ts ? d?fendre

> (et qui n'ont rien avoir avec une communaut? quelle qu'elle soit, mais

> simplement ? son propre profit), avant de faire certaines affirmations et

> comparaisons pri?re d'abord se renseigner au pr?s des a?n?s et des habitu?s

> de ces r?unions internationales organis?es par Afrinic. Il y a des faits

> ind?niables. Cher Kakel analyse bien fait ton devoir de maison avant de

> venir affirmer et d?nigrer un combat l?gitime. Merci pour ta compr?hension

>

> Cordialement.

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 22:09, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com> a ?crit :

>

> > Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce

> > n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des

> personnes

> > pour des r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF organisent des

> > activit?s politiques et des actions de coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont

> > au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la

> diversit?

> > culturelle et linguistique et servent ? promouvoir la langue fran?aise,

> la

> > paix et le d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.

> >

> > ?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense qu'il est plut?t

> > hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant

> > rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement

> > form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones

> > uniquement.

> >

> > Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des ann?es pour

> > amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et

> c'est

> > un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent

> > l'int?r?t de la population francophone. Larus est peut-?tre ? certains

> yeux

> > partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.

> >

> > Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est

> > partielle - il est in?vitable pour l'organisation de repr?senter

> l'int?r?t

> > de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester

> > juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ?a.

> >

> > Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ? ?tre non seulement

> > ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en

> > particulier.

> >

> > Cordialement.

> >

> > Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 04:08, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a ?crit :

> >

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> >> Message: 1

> >> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000

> >> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>

> >> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> >> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> >> Hi Owen,

> >>

> >> You wrote

> >>

> >> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

> >> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we

> can

> >> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

> >> discussion."

> >>

> >>

> >> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

> >>

> >> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help

> us

> >> move on.

> >>

> >> Thanks

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Marcus

> >>

> >> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

> >> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> >> Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <

> >> rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> >>

> >> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

> >> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a

> PDP,

> >> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

> >> theirs.

> >>

> >> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

> >> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we

> can

> >> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

> >> discussion.

> >>

> >> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to

> me.

> >>

> >> Owen

> >>

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> >> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800

> >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> >> To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>

> >> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> >> Message-ID: <93CD0634-C58C-42A5-B58B-02337F6EFB62 at delong.com>

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> >> Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s

> >> opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?

> >>

> >> As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have

> >> merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging

> in a

> >> public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have

> no

> >> real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would

> >> increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our

> >> fellowship program.

> >>

> >> Owen

> >>

> >>

> >> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Hi Owen,

> >> >

> >> > You wrote

> >> >

> >> > "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss

> >> and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way

> we

> >> can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

> >> discussion."

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

> >> >

> >> > Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help

> >> us move on.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Marcus

> >> >

> >> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <

> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> >> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

> >> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> >> > Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <

> >> rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> >> >

> >> > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

> >> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a

> PDP,

> >> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

> >> theirs.

> >> >

> >> > I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss

> and

> >> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we

> can

> >> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

> >> discussion.

> >> >

> >> > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to

> >> me.

> >> >

> >> > Owen

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