[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Arnaud AMELINA]

Je n'ai pas l'impression que Kakel parle d'une situation qu'il comprend,
pour preuve sa comparaison d'une institutions international à une fondation
appartenant à une société commerciale privée qui a des intérêts à défendre
(et qui n'ont rien avoir avec une communauté quelle qu'elle soit, mais
simplement à son propre profit), avant de faire certaines affirmations et
comparaisons prière d'abord se renseigner au près des aînés et des habitués
de ces réunions internationales organisées par Afrinic. Il y a des faits
indéniables. Cher Kakel analyse bien fait ton devoir de maison avant de
venir affirmer et dénigrer un combat légitime. Merci pour ta compréhension

Cordialement.

--
Arnaud

Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 22:09, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com> a écrit :


> Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce

> n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes

> pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des

> activités politiques et des actions de coopération multilatérale qui sont

> au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversité

> culturelle et linguistique et servent à promouvoir la langue française, la

> paix et le développement durable »sur leur site officiel.

>

> Étant moi-même de langue maternelle française, je pense qu'il est plutôt

> hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant

> rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont également

> formées, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones

> uniquement.

>

> Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour

> amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est

> un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF représentent

> l'intérêt de la population francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains yeux

> partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.

>

> Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est

> partielle - il est inévitable pour l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt

> de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester

> juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.

>

> Internet est une société ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non seulement

> ouverts, mais aussi à être justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en

> particulier.

>

> Cordialement.

>

> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 04:08, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000

>> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>

>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> Hi Owen,

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>> You wrote

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>> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion."

>>

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>> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

>>

>> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us

>> move on.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

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>>

>> Marcus

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>> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html

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>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

>> Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <

>> rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>>

>> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

>> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP,

>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

>> theirs.

>>

>> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion.

>>

>> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.

>>

>> Owen

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>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:08:10 -0800

>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

>> To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>

>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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>> Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s

>> opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?

>>

>> As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have

>> merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a

>> public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no

>> real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would

>> increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our

>> fellowship program.

>>

>> Owen

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>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

>> wrote:

>> >

>> > Hi Owen,

>> >

>> > You wrote

>> >

>> > "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss

>> and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we

>> can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion."

>> >

>> >

>> > Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

>> >

>> > Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help

>> us move on.

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Marcus

>> >

>> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>

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>> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

>> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM

>> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

>> > Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <

>> rpd at afrinic.net>

>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>> >

>> > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is

>> about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP,

>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only

>> theirs.

>> >

>> > I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and

>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can

>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through

>> discussion.

>> >

>> > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to

>> me.

>> >

>> > Owen

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