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[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
Nasir Faruk
nasirfaruk at gmail.com
Tue Mar 3 07:49:46 UTC 2020
@Badru Ntege,
In response to what Daniel submitted, could you please substantiate the
real issue you felt not addressed?
I quite agree with Daniel's submissions. I was just wondering what the
term "Genuine Sponsor" could mean from those having negative thoughts about
the LARUS fellowship programme. Could it be they are referring to the kind
of sponsors that dictates how the meeting should flow?
I am yet to see the real issue with the LARUS and if none can be clearly
identified then I suggest the sponsors of this discussion to keep shut!
Regards.
Faruk.
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> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:46:52 +0000
> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Lamiaa Chnayti
> <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
> Cc: Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
> Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
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> @Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked. Because an
> answer was given should mot bring the presumption that things are OK.
>
> When you say previously denied. You seem to make it sound like some
> people were prevented. To my knowledge all AfriNIC meetings have. been
> streamed and also recordings made available.
>
> Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical suggestions
> from members.
>
> The assumption that members should just accept because enough people
> repeated the same answers many times does not make the issue disappear.
>
> There?s something not right. Please listen to the voices of others and
> not yours only.
>
> Regards
>
> Badru Ntege
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> From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM
> To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA
> Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus Foundation and
> have since resumed doing important things on the PDP. But I can see the
> devil is still in the details, regarding this matter.
>
> I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has shown its
> transparency as best as they can, but this does not satisfy some members of
> the community. I can also see that these community members are not happy
> because Larus Foundation has brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC
> meeting, and in the process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.
>
> I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor is
> unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a perceive
> enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.
>
> Simply,
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:
> Pri?re ? VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages pr?c?dents
> parce que tout a ?t? adress? et pourtant vous continuez ? r?p?ter ce qui a
> d?j? ?t? mentionn?.
>
> Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et r?p?titive qu'elle ne
> suit plus aucune logique.
>
> Il ne s'agit justement pas de d?fendre ou d'attaquer mais de comprendre.
> Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps ? r?pondre ? des questions
> auquelles moi et plein de gens ont d?j? r?pondu.
>
> J'esp?re que cette discussion non productive prendra fin et qu'on puisse
> enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus importants pour la communaut?.
>
> Cordialement,
>
>
>
> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:
> amelnaud at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>
>
> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com
> <mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
> Je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.
>
> Je trouve qu'il est tr?s normal pour une organisation d'?tre partielle
> tant que cel? se fait en objectivit? totale.
> Et en quoi a-t-elle ?t? partiale ? Lorsqu'elle pr?pare des documents au
> jugement biais? pour remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent pour
> la premi?re fois aux r?unions d'Afrinic et pour certains c'est la premi?re
> fois qu'ils quittent leur pays pour l'ext?rieur, je comprendrai leur
> d?voiement ? d?fendre l'ind?fendable.
>
> Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-?tre pas l'exception mais se comporte au
> moins d'une mani?re objective et dont les travaux sont b?n?fiques pour la
> communaut? Africaine.
> Ces Travaux sont b?n?fiques tu dis ? certaines communaut?s africaines,
> Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient b?n?fiques, mais plut?t nuisible oui.
>
> Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer ? ses
> semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pr?-requis.
>
> Que veux-tu dire sans pr?-requis, je pense plut?t que ceux qui d?fendent
> cette fondation, sont ceux-l? m?me justement qui manquent ? mon humble avis
> de pr?-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont d?fendus dans ces d?bats
> et discussions. Pri?re lire les anciens message de cette liste et regarder
> les anciennes vid?os des r?unions d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des
> choses ici.
>
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Lamiaa.
>
>
>
>
> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com<mailto:
> kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
> Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce
> n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes
> pour des r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF organisent des
> activit?s politiques et des actions de coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont
> au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversit?
> culturelle et linguistique et servent ? promouvoir la langue fran?aise, la
> paix et le d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.
>
> ?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense qu'il est plut?t
> hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant
> rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement
> form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones
> uniquement.
>
> Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des ann?es pour
> amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est
> un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent
> l'int?r?t de la population francophone. Larus est peut-?tre ? certains yeux
> partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.
>
> Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est
> partielle - il est in?vitable pour l'organisation de repr?senter l'int?r?t
> de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester
> juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ?a.
>
> Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ? ?tre non seulement
> ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en
> particulier.
>
> Cordialement.
>
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> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000
> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:
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> Hi Owen,
>
> You wrote
>
> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
> discussion."
>
>
> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?
>
> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us
> move on.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
> Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource Policy
> Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>
> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is
> about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP,
> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only
> theirs.
>
> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
> discussion.
>
> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.
>
> Owen
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> Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s opinions
> about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?
>
> As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have
> merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a
> public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no
> real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would
> increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our
> fellowship program.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Owen,
> >
> > You wrote
> >
> > "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
> discussion."
> >
> >
> > Confused with all which has been said on this thread?
> >
> > Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help
> us move on.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM
> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
> >>
> > Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource
> Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
> >
> > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is
> about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP,
> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only
> theirs.
> >
> > I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
> discussion.
> >
> > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.
> >
> > Owen
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