<div dir="ltr">Je n'ai pas l'impression que Kakel parle d'une situation qu'il comprend, pour preuve sa comparaison d'une institutions international à une fondation appartenant à une société commerciale privée qui a des intérêts à défendre (et qui n'ont rien avoir avec une communauté quelle qu'elle soit, mais simplement à son propre profit), avant de faire certaines affirmations et comparaisons prière d'abord se renseigner au près des aînés et des habitués de ces réunions internationales organisées par Afrinic. Il y a des faits indéniables. Cher Kakel analyse bien fait ton devoir de maison avant de venir affirmer et dénigrer un combat légitime. Merci pour ta compréhension <div><br></div><div>Cordialement. </div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Arnaud </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 22:09, Kakel Mbumb <<a href="mailto:kakelmbumb@gmail.com">kakelmbumb@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des activités politiques et des actions de coopération multilatérale qui sont au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversité culturelle et linguistique et servent à promouvoir la langue française, la paix et le développement durable »sur leur site officiel.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Étant moi-même de langue maternelle française, je pense qu'il est plutôt hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont également formées, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones uniquement.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF représentent l'intérêt de la population francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est partielle - il est inévitable pour l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Internet est une société ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non seulement ouverts, mais aussi à être justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en particulier.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 04:08, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000<br>
From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Hi Owen,<br>
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"I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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Confused with all which has been said on this thread?<br>
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Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?<br>
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As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our fellowship program.<br>
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Owen,<br>
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> You wrote <br>
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> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."<br>
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> Confused with all which has been said on this thread? <br>
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> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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> Marcus<br>
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> [1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html</a>><br>
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> From: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.<br>
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> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.<br>
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> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.<br>
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