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Anthony Ubah ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Sat Feb 1 16:10:59 UTC 2020


Hello Nishal Goburdhan,

I quite support the proposition to track views shared by members of the
community, and responses provided by the Author(s) and community on every
policy proposed.
This will go a long way in making decision making easier for the Co-Chairs,
Afrinioc staff and the community at large. It introduces more transparency.
That way, strong/weak/irrelevant or passive suggestions and objections can
be followed up and fully considered and/or addressed.
I suggest a platform for this should be set aside and updated regularly.
This will shrink repetitions and save the community valuable time. We all
have different schedules, and everyone can not invest the minimum time
required to revisit every comment posted in the rpd mailing list.

With respect to the above, a typical example would be my query on this
RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space policy
proposal, a few of my inquiries were addressed, however, I questioned the
effectiveness of having such policy on a regional scale where the true
benefit can only be enjoyed if implemented as a global policy.
I ask again, why not push for a Global policy proposal for RPKI ROAs for
Unallocated and Unassigned resources? If I didn't miss the response to
that, then it still hasn't been addressed.

Regards,

Ant'



E-mail: anthony.ubah at goldspine.com <anthony.ubah at gloworld.com>.ng


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> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:01:46 +0100

> From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>

> To: Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com>

> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] End of LAST call

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> I support Pascal on this.

>

> A detailed list of objections will help the community have better

> understanding of the discussions.

>

> Taiwo

>

> > On 1 Feb 2020, at 09:33, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > I think its usually impossible to track all objections raised. It might

> be too much of a workload for the cochairs to track objections and map them

> to answers to come out with a conclusion. However, just as people here have

> said they can request for help. Furthermore, I think the authors can also

> assist in doing that during their responses to objections cos it will be

> easier to document that way to show a documented addressing of objections

> to prove that all has been addressed.

> >

> >> On Friday, January 31, 2020, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <

> rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

> >> Hi Daniel,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I did a quick search in the list archive. If you?re referring to this

> email:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010280.html

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I?ve responded to it (in less than 2 hours):

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010282.html

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I think it clearly addresses your points.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I recall other people also answered afterwards.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Jordi

> >>

> >> @jordipalet

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> El 31/1/20 6:58, "Daniel Yakmut via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net> escribi?:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I don't agree with your submission that; "All of the ?objections? I saw

> seemed to indicate a clear lack of understanding of RPKI in general and the

> proposal in specific."

> >>

> >> I particularly raised a concern "The current state of RPKI

> infrastructure, does not provide a sufficient period between revocation of

> ROA and notification that a given prefix has been allocated to an

> organization, which can impact considerably on allocations. Except we can

> be able to provide a sufficient period or create a different procedure, the

> proposal for the RPKI-ROAs does not fly"

> >>

> >> and I did not receive any response from the author(s), I suspect this

> is a concern that is critical and important to possible adoption and

> implementation this proposal

> >>

> >> However, I will agree that the author(s) may have been overwhelm with

> the number of "objections" raised and could not keep track of it and

> response, hence I will suggest that the co-chairs could help by summarising

> the objections for the action of the author(s).

> >>

> >> Simply.

> >>

> >> Dan

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On 31/01/2020 3:18 am, Owen DeLong wrote:

> >>

> >> I agree with Nishal, Jordi, and Frank.

> >>

> >> All of the ?objections? I saw seemed to indicate a clear lack of

> understanding of RPKI in general and the proposal in specific.

> >>

> >> All of them raised concerns that simply don?t fit the facts of what is

> being proposed.

> >>

> >> I did not see any legitimate or critical objections. If there is

> something I missed, please enumerate it (them) for the edification of the

> list.

> >>

> >> Owen

> >>

> >>

> >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 03:58 , Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>

> wrote:

> >>

> >> On 29 Jan 2020, at 12:35, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear PDWG,

> >> The following policy proposals have been on the Last call for about 4

> weeks

> >> 1. Multihoming not required for ASN

> >> 2. Adjusting IPv6 PA Policy

> >> 3. RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space

> >>

> >> However, we received some critical objections that should be addressed

> on

> >> the policy named "RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC

> Address

> >> Space" therefore we believe it requires more discussion.

> >> could you enumerate those ?critical objections? please. that would

> help the authors to fix this for round two.

> >> from my perspective, the last series of responses, came from a

> fundamental misunderstanding of what RPKI is, and how it works.

> >>

> >> (bear in mind, that it?s not the authors? - or this list?s -

> responsibility to explain RPKI ..)

> >>

> >> -n.

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> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 11:28:25 +0200

> From: Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>

> To: Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com>

> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] End of LAST call

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> On 01 Feb 2020, at 10:42, Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > ?I think its usually impossible to track all objections raised. It might

> be too much of a workload for the cochairs to track objections and map them

> to answers to come out with a conclusion. However, just as people here have

> said they can request for help. Furthermore, I think the authors can also

> assist in doing that during their responses to objections cos it will be

> easier to document that way to show a documented addressing of objections

> to prove that all has been addressed.

>

>

> considering that the co-chairs MUST evaluate objections to gauge if there

> is consensus or not, which, means that they MUST obviously read and decide

> if these are substantive objections, or not, i don?t see why the co-chairs

> - working with afrinic?s policy development officer - can not produce a

> report highlighting these contentious issues.

>

> i do not think that the co-chairs should be asked to map these to

> solutions; that is not their role.

>

> i would be sceptical of any author producing a report, claiming to address

> all objections.

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