[rpd] Extension of Last Call - Abuse Contact Policy Update AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07

Tue Jan 11 06:09:33 UTC 2022

Reading these messages I have been wondering why all this complaining 
about having a simple abuse mailbox working.

How can people forget that operating an Autonomous System requires a 
minimum set of responsibilities ? Operating in a Interconnected 
environment that actions many claim coming from their "operational 
freedom" may affect other Autonomous Systems? Why is it too easy to keep 
thinking people operating these Autonomous Systems should not render 
accounts to anyone and do whatever they like without having to respond 
for anything ?

Also it seems that usual: that some of the people that keep complaning 
about have to have an absuse mailbox working (something quiet obvious) 
don't seem to have properly read the proposal. Just got the ideal based 
on the subject and of some messages and reply against it. That must be 
some type o responsibility to Autonomous Systems. Internet is not a 
lawless space. If one wants to operate an Autonomous System, must 
operate with responsability and that has nothing to do with "freedom to 
operate their network as they wish".

Fernando

On 11/01/2022 01:51, Rachel Tubog wrote:
> Hi Jordi,
>
> I am well-aware of this but thanks for your advice anyway. I don't see 
> the extra benefits that can be brought by an extra mandatory 
> abuse-mailbox. If the operators prefer to use forms for reports as a 
> means of abuse, that's their choice and freedom to do so. There is no 
> extra value added for having the abuse-mailbox.
>
> Regards,
> R.T.
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:09 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD 
> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>     Hi Rachel,
>
>     Again, please, read the policy text. Is not taking a position on
>     what is and what not abuse. See the videos with the presentations
>     and email archive. It has been explained over and over.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Jordi
>
>     @jordipalet
>
>     El 9/1/22 15:18, "Rachel Tubog" <racheltubog987 at gmail.com> escribió:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     How can AFRINIC force any member to reply to the « abuse » if
>     AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an abuse and what is
>     not? Especially that the definition of a criminal/legal activity
>     differs from one jurisdiction to another… It is up to the member
>     to define what they think is acceptable in their network
>     operation and how they choose to react to it, so I’m not sure I
>     get what value this policy adds exactly.
>
>     Greetings!
>
>     R.T.
>
>     On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:21 PM Mathanya Ramaboea
>     <mathanyawork at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Dear PDWG,
>
>         This proposal needs to go back to discussion for the next PPM
>         since the concerns are still the same and remain unsolved.
>
>         Afrinic shouldn’t be the one deciding how network holders
>         manage their abuse mailbox. Each one has the right to
>         determine what to reply to and what to ignore and based on
>         that, the whole purpose of this policy is pointless especially
>         if AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an abuse and
>         what is not.
>
>         Mathanya.
>
>         On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 15:06, Ibeanusi Elvis
>         <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             Dear All,
>
>             Handling the issue of abuse has been an ISSUE itself that
>             the AFRINIC organization has found difficult to solve
>             since the start.
>             Without overstepping or being considered intrusive, they
>             could get members to publish their mailbox instead of
>             consistently adopting and implementing unnecessary.
>             unworthy and wasteful policies.
>             On the other hand, there is an alternative, which by
>             simply publishing the mailboxes of their members while
>             being careful and mindful of being regarded as intrusive
>             to members. The General Abuse Contact Policy will present
>             this result and effect.
>
>             Elvis.
>
>             > On Jan 6, 2022, at 23:21, PDWG Chair
>             <vincent at ngundi.me.ke> wrote:
>             >
>             > Dear AFRINIC PDWG,
>             >
>             > As per our announcement on 8 June 2021[1], the Last Call
>             period of the proposal Abuse Contact Policy Update
>             AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 would have ended on 19th June
>             2021 at 2359UTC but an appeal was lodged on 16 June 2021,
>             four (4) days before the close of the Last Call period.
>             Now that the Appeal Committee has published its report, we
>             wish  to announce that the Last Call period for the
>             proposal Abuse Contact Policy Update
>             AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 has been extended by four (4)
>             days, and therefore closes on 09th January 2022 at 23:59 UTC.
>             >
>             > Thank you for your continued participation in this process.
>             >
>             > Kind Regards
>             > Vincent Ngundi and Darwin Da Costa
>             > AFRINIC PDWG Chairs
>             >
>             > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013274.html
>             >
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