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[rpd] Extension of Last Call - Abuse Contact Policy Update AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Tue Jan 11 08:18:18 UTC 2022
I totally agree with you. Nothing wrong with an abuse mailbox that is
known to work - because it is tested. Are some people trying to hide
from abuse so they can claim their innocence? In South Africa, ISP's
have almost a competition to see who can answer abuse calls the fastest
when ISPA does their yearly test. Surly this is the correct attitude.
I still support this Policy.
On 1/11/22 8:09 AM, Fernando Frediani wrote:
> Reading these messages I have been wondering why all this complaining
> about having a simple abuse mailbox working.
>
> How can people forget that operating an Autonomous System requires a
> minimum set of responsibilities ? Operating in a Interconnected
> environment that actions many claim coming from their "operational
> freedom" may affect other Autonomous Systems? Why is it too easy to
> keep thinking people operating these Autonomous Systems should not
> render accounts to anyone and do whatever they like without having to
> respond for anything ?
>
> Also it seems that usual: that some of the people that keep complaning
> about have to have an absuse mailbox working (something quiet obvious)
> don't seem to have properly read the proposal. Just got the ideal
> based on the subject and of some messages and reply against it. That
> must be some type o responsibility to Autonomous Systems. Internet is
> not a lawless space. If one wants to operate an Autonomous System,
> must operate with responsability and that has nothing to do with
> "freedom to operate their network as they wish".
>
> Fernando
>
> On 11/01/2022 01:51, Rachel Tubog wrote:
>> Hi Jordi,
>>
>> I am well-aware of this but thanks for your advice anyway. I don't
>> see the extra benefits that can be brought by an extra mandatory
>> abuse-mailbox. If the operators prefer to use forms for reports as a
>> means of abuse, that's their choice and freedom to do so. There is no
>> extra value added for having the abuse-mailbox.
>>
>> Regards,
>> R.T.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:09 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rachel,
>>
>> Again, please, read the policy text. Is not taking a position on
>> what is and what not abuse. See the videos with the presentations
>> and email archive. It has been explained over and over.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
>>
>> El 9/1/22 15:18, "Rachel Tubog" <racheltubog987 at gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> How can AFRINIC force any member to reply to the « abuse » if
>> AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an abuse and what is
>> not? Especially that the definition of a criminal/legal activity
>> differs from one jurisdiction to another… It is up to the member
>> to define what they think is acceptable in their network
>> operation and how they choose to react to it, so I’m not sure I
>> get what value this policy adds exactly.
>>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> R.T.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:21 PM Mathanya Ramaboea
>> <mathanyawork at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PDWG,
>>
>> This proposal needs to go back to discussion for the next PPM
>> since the concerns are still the same and remain unsolved.
>>
>> Afrinic shouldn’t be the one deciding how network holders
>> manage their abuse mailbox. Each one has the right to
>> determine what to reply to and what to ignore and based on
>> that, the whole purpose of this policy is pointless
>> especially if AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an
>> abuse and what is not.
>>
>> Mathanya.
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 15:06, Ibeanusi Elvis
>> <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Handling the issue of abuse has been an ISSUE itself that
>> the AFRINIC organization has found difficult to solve
>> since the start.
>> Without overstepping or being considered intrusive, they
>> could get members to publish their mailbox instead of
>> consistently adopting and implementing unnecessary.
>> unworthy and wasteful policies.
>> On the other hand, there is an alternative, which by
>> simply publishing the mailboxes of their members while
>> being careful and mindful of being regarded as intrusive
>> to members. The General Abuse Contact Policy will present
>> this result and effect.
>>
>> Elvis.
>>
>> > On Jan 6, 2022, at 23:21, PDWG Chair
>> <vincent at ngundi.me.ke> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear AFRINIC PDWG,
>> >
>> > As per our announcement on 8 June 2021[1], the Last
>> Call period of the proposal Abuse Contact Policy Update
>> AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 would have ended on 19th June
>> 2021 at 2359UTC but an appeal was lodged on 16 June 2021,
>> four (4) days before the close of the Last Call period.
>> Now that the Appeal Committee has published its report,
>> we wish to announce that the Last Call period for the
>> proposal Abuse Contact Policy Update
>> AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07 has been extended by four (4)
>> days, and therefore closes on 09th January 2022 at 23:59 UTC.
>> >
>> > Thank you for your continued participation in this process.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards
>> > Vincent Ngundi and Darwin Da Costa
>> > AFRINIC PDWG Chairs
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013274.html
>> >
>> >
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