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<p>Reading these messages I have been wondering why all this
complaining about having a simple abuse mailbox working.</p>
<p>How can people forget that operating an Autonomous System
requires a minimum set of responsibilities ? Operating in a
Interconnected environment that actions many claim coming from
their "operational freedom" may affect other Autonomous Systems?
Why is it too easy to keep thinking people operating these
Autonomous Systems should not render accounts to anyone and do
whatever they like without having to respond for anything ?</p>
<p>Also it seems that usual: that some of the people that keep
complaning about have to have an absuse mailbox working (something
quiet obvious) don't seem to have properly read the proposal. Just
got the ideal based on the subject and of some messages and reply
against it. That must be some type o responsibility to Autonomous
Systems. Internet is not a lawless space. If one wants to operate
an Autonomous System, must operate with responsability and that
has nothing to do with "freedom to operate their network as they
wish".</p>
<p>Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/01/2022 01:51, Rachel Tubog
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jordi,
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<div>I am well-aware of this but thanks for your advice anyway.
I don't see the extra benefits that can be brought by an extra
mandatory abuse-mailbox. If the operators prefer to use forms
for reports as a means of abuse, that's their choice and
freedom to do so. There is no extra value added for having the
abuse-mailbox.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>R.T.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 6:09
PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
lang="EN-US">Hi Rachel,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"
lang="EN-US">Again, please, read the policy text. Is
not taking a position on what is and what not abuse.
See the videos with the presentations and email
archive. It has been explained over and over.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El
9/1/22 15:18, "Rachel Tubog" <<a
href="mailto:racheltubog987@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">racheltubog987@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi
all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">How can
AFRINIC force any member to reply to the « abuse » if
AFRINIC cannot determine what is considered an abuse
and what is not? Especially that the definition of a
criminal/legal activity differs from one jurisdiction
to another… It is up to the member to define what they
think is acceptable in their network<br>
operation and how they choose to react to it, so I’m
not sure I get what value this policy adds exactly.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Greetings!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">R.T.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:21 PM Mathanya Ramaboea <<a
href="mailto:mathanyawork@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mathanyawork@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
PDWG,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">This
proposal needs to go back to discussion for
the next PPM since the concerns are still the
same and remain unsolved. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Afrinic
shouldn’t be the one deciding how network
holders manage their abuse mailbox. Each one
has the right to determine what to reply to
and what to ignore and based on that, the
whole purpose of this policy is pointless
especially if AFRINIC cannot determine what is
considered an abuse and what is not. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Mathanya.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On
Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 15:06, Ibeanusi Elvis <<a
href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Dear
All, <br>
<br>
Handling the issue of abuse has been an ISSUE
itself that the AFRINIC organization has found
difficult to solve since the start. <br>
Without overstepping or being considered
intrusive, they could get members to publish
their mailbox instead of consistently adopting
and implementing unnecessary. unworthy and
wasteful policies.<br>
On the other hand, there is an alternative,
which by simply publishing the mailboxes of
their members while being careful and mindful of
being regarded as intrusive to members. The
General Abuse Contact Policy will present this
result and effect. <br>
<br>
Elvis. <br>
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> On Jan 6, 2022, at 23:21, PDWG Chair <<a
href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Dear AFRINIC PDWG,<br>
> <br>
> As per our announcement on 8 June 2021[1],
the Last Call period of the proposal Abuse
Contact Policy Update AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07
would have ended on 19th June 2021 at 2359UTC
but an appeal was lodged on 16 June 2021, four
(4) days before the close of the Last Call
period. Now that the Appeal Committee has
published its report, we wish to announce that
the Last Call period for the proposal Abuse
Contact Policy Update AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT07
has been extended by four (4) days, and
therefore closes on 09th January 2022 at 23:59
UTC.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your continued participation
in this process.<br>
> <br>
> Kind Regards<br>
> Vincent Ngundi and Darwin Da Costa<br>
> AFRINIC PDWG Chairs<br>
> <br>
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