[rpd] Selecting WG Co-Chairs: Was Re: Can a Consensual Decision of the PDWG Violate the PDP? (was: Report from Recall Committee)

[Fernando Frediani]

I agree with Sunday that we are in the middle of the process and it 
seems to be going towards the natural thing which is the WG to choose 
the new Co-Chairs, somehow.

But in any case (any case really!) it is *NOT possible* the Board to 
choose them. There is not a single line in the PDP that allows or even 
indicates that. Even if the entire WG right now wished that would not be 
possible still.
Every time we make up something new it is either something out of the 
rules of at least the only serves to confuse even more the whole thing.
Let's just deal with the actual reality and accept it that Board 
choosing Co-Chairs is is NOT possible at any circumstances, even in a 
urgent or most justified scenario. It is out of the current rules and if 
it is our of the rules there is no noble and justified scenario that can 
change that.

I personally support that we modify the PDP to allow the Board to choose 
temporary/interim Co-Chairs under certain circumstances but that can 
*only be done when we have new Co-Chairs* in place and be able to do the 
due process in order to adjust the PDP.

Fernando

On 25/02/2021 15:01, Sunday Folayan wrote:

> Hi Alain,

>

> The Working group found itself in a situation that though difficult, 

> will help it reorganize and be  better.

>

> The group is now in the middle of a process, and it is pre-emptive at 

> this stage to say "it is clearer that the WG is unable to 

> self-organize at this point"

>

> I do not support this form of abdication on the bases of precedence 

> due to some other not-so-similar extraordinary situations. How many 

> people, and how many policies were in discussions then? Very very few!

>

> Going this route will indeed becomes a stronger precedence much harder 

> to break.

>

> I urge you to please wait for the process to fail, then you will be 

> fully justified, and I will gladly support this option.

>

> Sunday.

>

>

> On 2/25/21 3:08 PM, ALAIN AINA via RPD wrote:

>> Hello,

>>

>> In the past when the policy development process faced unforeseen 

>> situations in appointing moderators group or co-cochairs, board has 

>> stepped in and appointed interims.

>>

>> These appointments even included community consensus led by board chair.

>>

>> In 2008

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2008/000575.html

>>

>> In 2010

>>

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2010/001177.html

>>

>> Board has the ultimate and fiduciary responsibilities  in making sure 

>> the RIR fulfill its role and in the best way...

>>

>> I would encourage board to act as it is clearer that the WG is unable 

>> to self-organize at this point.

>>

>> We have a bunch of experienced and trusted people, who have served in 

>> different role or are known to be capable.

>>

>>

>> -Alain

>>

>>> On 21 Feb 2021, at 10:26, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD 

>>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi SM,

>>>

>>> No, my question is not about the CPM/PDP text. I think it is clear 

>>> for everybody the distinction there between "AFRINIC 

>>> organization/membership" vs "AFRINIC community/PDWG".

>>>

>>> My question is about the Board interpretation of the Article 11.4 of 

>>> the bylaws. Is the Board understanding that they can (in urgent 

>>> situations, such as the one we are facing) adopt policies only 

>>> related to Resources or also policies that not being related to 

>>> resources but modifying the PDP?

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Jordi

>>> @jordipalet

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> El 21/2/21 11:10, "S. Moonesamy" <sm+af at afrinic.net> escribió:

>>>

>>>     Dear Mr Palet,

>>>     At 12:28 AM 21-02-2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via board wrote:

>>>> I've asked the board (copied again, because we didn't get a

>>>> response), to confirm if their interpretation of Article 11.4 will

>>>> allow that. Can the Board please confirm?

>>>     There is the following in the Policy Development Process: "Internet

>>>     number resource policies are distinctly separate from AfriNIC 

>>> general

>>>     business practices and procedures. General business practices and

>>>     procedures are not within the purview of the Policy Development

>>>     Process."  Was your question related to Internet number resource 

>>> policies?

>>>

>>>     Regards,

>>>     S. Moonesamy

>>>

>>>     Board Chair, AFRINIC

>>>

>>>

>>>

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