[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Badru Ntege]

@Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked.  Because an answer was given should mot bring the presumption that things are OK.

When you say previously denied.  You seem to make it sound like some people were prevented.  To my knowledge all AfriNIC meetings have. been streamed and also recordings made available.

Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical suggestions from members.

The assumption that members should just accept because enough people repeated the same answers many times does not make the issue disappear.

There’s something not right.  Please listen to the voices of others and not yours only.

Regards

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From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM
To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA
Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP


Dear All,

I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus Foundation and have since resumed doing important things on the PDP. But I can see the devil is still in the details, regarding this matter.

I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has shown its transparency as best as they can, but this does not satisfy some members of the community. I can also see that these community members are not happy because Larus Foundation has brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC meeting, and in the process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.

I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor is unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a perceive enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.

Simply,

Daniel


On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:
Prière à VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages précédents parce que tout a été adressé et pourtant vous continuez à répéter ce qui a déjà été mentionné.

Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et répétitive qu'elle ne suit plus aucune logique.

Il ne s'agit justement pas de défendre ou d'attaquer mais de comprendre. Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps à répondre à des questions auquelles moi et plein de gens ont déjà répondu.

J'espère que cette discussion non productive prendra fin et qu'on puisse enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus importants pour la communauté.

Cordialement,



Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> a écrit :


Le lun. 2 mars 2020 à 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com<mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> a écrit :
Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.

Je trouve qu'il est très normal pour une organisation d'être partielle tant que celà se fait en objectivité totale.
Et en quoi a-t-elle été partiale ? Lorsqu'elle prépare des documents au jugement biaisé pour remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent pour la première fois aux réunions d'Afrinic  et pour certains c'est la première fois qu'ils quittent leur pays pour l'extérieur, je comprendrai leur dévoiement à défendre l'indéfendable.

Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-être pas l'exception mais se comporte au moins d'une manière objective et dont les travaux sont bénéfiques pour la communauté Africaine.
Ces Travaux sont bénéfiques tu dis à certaines communautés africaines, Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient bénéfiques, mais plutôt nuisible oui.

Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer à ses semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pré-requis.

Que veux-tu dire sans pré-requis, je pense plutôt que ceux qui défendent cette fondation, sont ceux-là même justement qui manquent à mon humble avis de pré-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont défendus dans ces débats et discussions. Prière lire les anciens message de cette liste  et regarder les anciennes vidéos des réunions d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des choses ici.


Cordialement,

Lamiaa.




Le dim. 1 mars 2020 à 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com<mailto:kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a écrit :
Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes pour des réunions - l'OIF déclare ouvertement que «les OIF organisent des activités politiques et des actions de coopération multilatérale qui sont au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversité culturelle et linguistique et servent à promouvoir la langue française, la paix et le développement durable »sur leur site officiel.

Étant moi-même de langue maternelle française, je pense qu'il est plutôt hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'être partielle tout en n'évoquant rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont également formées, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones uniquement.

Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des années pour amener les gens à parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF représentent l'intérêt de la population francophone. Larus est peut-être à certains yeux partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.

Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est partielle - il est inévitable pour l'organisation de représenter l'intérêt de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ça.

Internet est une société ouverte - et j'exhorte tous à être non seulement ouverts, mais aussi à être justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en particulier.

Cordialement.

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Hi Owen,

You wrote

"I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."


Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.

Thanks



Marcus

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From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP


> Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.


I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.

That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.

Owen


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Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?

As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our fellowship program.

Owen



> On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:

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> Hi Owen,

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> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion."

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> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?

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> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us move on.

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> Thanks

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> Marcus

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> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>

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> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>

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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is about a  certain company influencing people views and  opinions in a PDP, where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only theirs.

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> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through discussion.

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> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.

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