[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Owen DeLong]

I’m aware of all of these. All include allegations without proof of wrongdoing or policy violation.

Indeed, Madhvi herself has stated that in-region members who have out-of-region customers were not in violation of AfriNIC policy by assigning addresses to them:

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2013/003577.html

She asked the community to develop clear policy guidance in this area. While she does claim that registration services did their best to violate policy and limit such registrations, in reality, that is an admission of improper conduct. While some may feel that registration services was doing the right thing, the reality is that if the policies are wrong, we as a community should discuss and change them. AfriNIC staff and management should not be substituting their judgment for that of the community except in dire cases of emergency. In such a case, the board does have the power to implement emergency policy or suspend any policy which is problematic.

If you don’t like the policy by which Larus acquired its addresses, then by all means propose amendments. Making accusations against a company which has not violated policy simply because your idea of how the policy should be implemented differs from the actual wording of the policy is disingenuous at best.

Owen



> On Feb 19, 2020, at 15:10 , gregoire.ehoumi <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> 

> Owen,

> 

> Cloud Innovation resources that were allocated to then by AfriNIC and their usage has been discussed several times by this community.  

> You can find easly in AfriNIC mailing lists and AFNOG mailing list archives a lot of informations.

> 

> Below are some references;

> 

> ******

> 

> This was in 2013 

> 

> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2013/003577.html

> 

> This was in 2014

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> https://afnog.org/pipermail/afnog/2014-September/001824.html 

> 

> And again in 2017

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> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007352.html

> 

> *****

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> Around these discussions, we have never seen Cloud Innovation Ltd williness to submit to INR reviews but we have seen previous threats to sue AfriNIC in case of any such review and revocation of ressources. 

> 

> We also witnessed Cloud Innovation Ltd vehement opposition to the "review policy proposal", the "abuse contacts proposal", and recently the "AS0 ROA" proposal etc.

> 

> The same Organization is behind the Larus Foundation which is the subject of this discussion and you can imagine how serious this issue is within the context of Internet Number Resources for Africas development.

> 

> Can't you see an ethical problem there ?

> 

> -Greg

> 

> 

> 

> -------- Original message --------

> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> Date: 2020-02-19 4:47 p.m. (GMT-05:00)

> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>

> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> 

> 

> 

>> On Feb 19, 2020, at 07:04 , Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>> wrote:

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>> Thank you for the catalogue. By the way who told you they have not accessed the content of the catalogue. The Larus Foundation Manual is additional Material I suspect.

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> 

> Yes… All Larus fellows are encouraged to review the mailing list archives and watch videos of previous AfriNIC meetings in addition to the materials we provide them.

>> 

> 

> Our goal is to have educated and engaged fellows who participate in the community through the fellowship and beyond.

> 

> Owen

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