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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 46
Iyedi Goma
iyedigoma at gmail.com
Tue Feb 18 14:55:05 UTC 2020
Bonjour
il est d un intérêt majeur que le programme de bourse puisse existé, pour
le bien et l intérêt du développement de la communauté.
je souhaiterais être concis, s il ya une quelconque forme de doute pour les
types de bourse et les agendas individuels je pense que ce problème peut se
régler le plus simplement.
centraliser la gestion des bourses par afrinic, il y a une certaine
exigence sur le profil une équipe mixte et indépendante peut etre mise en
place pour le suivis et mise en place des critères d évaluation de
boursiers.
cordialement
Serge parfait goma
Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 15:26, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :
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> 1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:25:31 +0100
> From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
> To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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> Noah,
>
> In the heat of your passion to push your argument, try to be objective,
> when you try to say people are doing hackjobs doesn't that sound abusive?
>
> As in my local parlance "me too I sabi rough play O!"
>
>
> cheers
>
> Daniel
>
> On 17/02/2020 11:31 pm, Noah wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 01:11 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com
> > <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> One can not even compare the Larus Foundation hackjob
> >> yourself/daniel are involved with which includes a 500USD cash
> >> handouts to its participants with [1].
> >
> >> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2020/002153.html
> >
> > The only differences I see between the two fellowship programs are:
> >
> > 1.One is sponsored by AfriNIC
> >
> >
> > AfriNIC has a had an objective mission for this continent since her
> > formation among which is to promote the development of Internet
> > Infrastructure in this continent.
> >
> > and the other by Larus
> >
> >
> > With a Larus one being a subtle hackjob....
> >
> > 2.One covers only travel expenses, the other provides (in addition
> > to covering travel) an incentive based stipend for participation
> > to help defray other expenses.
> >
> >
> >
> > And your statement above proves my point exactly.... Those who can
> > read between the lines will understand what am talking about.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmm? It appears one can compare them as I just did.
> >
> >
> > Yours was a cheap comparison....... dont embarrass yourself by
> > attempting to compare AfriNIC with Larus whatever foundation
> > ....please because you are biased in this case.
> >
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > Noah
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:25:48 +0100
> From: Tr?sor Tshilumba <tresortshilumba at gmail.com>
> To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <funga.roho at yandex.com>
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> Bonjour ? tous,
> J'ai ?t? boursier Larus pour Luanda
> Je peux vous confirmer que Larus ne fait rien de mal en facilitant la
> participation de ses boursier au programme comme le font et le feraient
> certaines autres structures.
> Je peux aussi vous confirmer que les boursier se sont engag?s librement et
> en toute conscience. Et c'est aussi normal qu'ils attendent des r?sultats
> de la part de participants si cela rel?ve de leur strat?gie pour la
> fondation, je n'y vois aucun inconv?nient tant que cela n'est pas
> contraires aux r?gles qui g?rent AFRINIC d'autant plus que la Fondation a
> ?t? m?me sponsor de #Afrinic31.
>
> Mon interpellation serait juste au niveau de la conscience de chacun pour
> ?tre s?r que ce que nous faisons n'aie pas un impact n?gatif sur les
> g?n?rations futures qu'elles soient Africaines ou non !
> D?sol? de faire la morale, mais si j'ai ferm? ma bouche depuis longtemps
> c'est parce que j'ai du mal ? me retenir une fois ouverte.
> Que chacun fasse concorder son agenda cach? avec le bien communautaire.
> Its not just all avoir BUSINESS !
> Pensons aussi ? l'homme dans tout ?a!
> Merci
>
> Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020 ? 14:30, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <
> funga.roho at yandex.com> a ?crit :
>
> > Jordi+1. Je soutiens la proposition de Jordi parceque la probl?matique
> des
> > boursiers influenc?s, ou contraint de participer ? d?bats avec une
> opinion
> > tranch?e peut fortement peser sur l'impartialit? des d?bateurs.
> >
> > KANGAMUTIMA
> >
> > 18.02.2020, 07:04, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net>:
> >
> > I've proposed a very simple solution to this long time ago, which I think
> > it is very transparent and open. Short version reminder here:
> >
> > Organizations that want to sponsor fellows are very welcome, but this
> need
> > to be coordinated with AFRINIC. Sponsors don't need to know who are the
> > fellows, AFRINIC will select them based in the rules jointly agreed with
> > the sponsor. AFRINIC and sponsor jointly define other details such as
> what
> > training materials are provided to the fellows, how they are evaluated
> and
> > if they don't match certain requirements (such as not actually coming to
> > the sessions, etc.), if they don't get reimbursed all the costs, etc.
> >
> > If a sponsor doesn't want to follow those rules, then AFRINIC could
> reject
> > that sponsorship and ban them.
> >
> > This provides the same advantages to all the parties, but the community
> > can be sure that fellows aren't influenced in any way.
> >
> > Again, this is generic idea, many other details can be fixed, but I don't
> > think it is so difficult to match what both AFRINIC (organization),
> > sponsors, fellows and community need.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> > @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
> > ?El 18/2/20 15:56, "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> escribi?:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 17 Feb 2020, at 01:21, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please just say what you mean.
> > >
> > > Owen
> >
> > It walks like a duck .... we are paying money to motivate
> > participation.
> >
> > In another context one might call it corruption.
> >
> > Some people are publicly shifting long held positions since laurus
> > seems to be paying. ....... looks like a duck
> >
> >
> > The evidence is clear ...must be a duck ?
> >
> > When i look back in the historical threads the Owen i know seems to
> be
> > speaking a different language these days.
> >
> > But maybe its just my limited capacity to comprehend the issues at
> > hand.
> >
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