<div dir="auto">Bonjour <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">il est d un intérêt majeur que le programme de bourse puisse existé, pour le bien et l intérêt du développement de la communauté. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">je souhaiterais être concis, s il ya une quelconque forme de doute pour les types de bourse et les agendas individuels je pense que ce problème peut se régler le plus simplement. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> centraliser la gestion des bourses par afrinic, il y a une certaine exigence sur le profil une équipe mixte et indépendante peut etre mise en place pour le suivis et mise en place des critères d évaluation de boursiers. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">cordialement </div><div dir="auto">Serge parfait goma</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 15:26, <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)<br>
2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Tr?sor Tshilumba)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:25:31 +0100<br>
From: Daniel Yakmut <<a href="mailto:yakmutd@googlemail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">yakmutd@googlemail.com</a>><br>
To: Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Noah,<br>
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In the heat of your passion to push your argument, try to be objective, <br>
when you try to say people are doing hackjobs doesn't that sound abusive?<br>
<br>
As in my local parlance "me too I sabi rough play O!"<br>
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<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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On 17/02/2020 11:31 pm, Noah wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 01:11 Owen DeLong, <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> One can not even compare the Larus Foundation hackjob<br>
>> yourself/daniel are involved with which includes a 500USD cash<br>
>> handouts to its participants with [1].<br>
><br>
>> [1] <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2020/002153.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2020/002153.html</a><br>
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> The only differences I see between the two fellowship programs are:<br>
><br>
> 1.One is sponsored by AfriNIC<br>
><br>
><br>
> AfriNIC has a had an objective mission for this continent since her <br>
> formation among which is to promote the development of Internet <br>
> Infrastructure in this continent.<br>
><br>
> and the other by Larus<br>
><br>
><br>
> With a Larus one being a subtle hackjob....<br>
><br>
> 2.One covers only travel expenses, the other provides (in addition<br>
> to covering travel) an incentive based stipend for participation<br>
> to help defray other expenses.<br>
><br>
><br>
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> And your statement above proves my point exactly.... Those who can <br>
> read between the lines will understand what am talking about.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hmmm? It appears one can compare them as I just did.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yours was a cheap comparison....... dont embarrass yourself by <br>
> attempting to compare AfriNIC with Larus whatever foundation <br>
> ....please because you are biased in this case.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
><br>
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> Noah<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:25:48 +0100<br>
From: Tr?sor Tshilumba <<a href="mailto:tresortshilumba@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">tresortshilumba@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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Bonjour ? tous,<br>
J'ai ?t? boursier Larus pour Luanda<br>
Je peux vous confirmer que Larus ne fait rien de mal en facilitant la<br>
participation de ses boursier au programme comme le font et le feraient<br>
certaines autres structures.<br>
Je peux aussi vous confirmer que les boursier se sont engag?s librement et<br>
en toute conscience. Et c'est aussi normal qu'ils attendent des r?sultats<br>
de la part de participants si cela rel?ve de leur strat?gie pour la<br>
fondation, je n'y vois aucun inconv?nient tant que cela n'est pas<br>
contraires aux r?gles qui g?rent AFRINIC d'autant plus que la Fondation a<br>
?t? m?me sponsor de #Afrinic31.<br>
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Mon interpellation serait juste au niveau de la conscience de chacun pour<br>
?tre s?r que ce que nous faisons n'aie pas un impact n?gatif sur les<br>
g?n?rations futures qu'elles soient Africaines ou non !<br>
D?sol? de faire la morale, mais si j'ai ferm? ma bouche depuis longtemps<br>
c'est parce que j'ai du mal ? me retenir une fois ouverte.<br>
Que chacun fasse concorder son agenda cach? avec le bien communautaire.<br>
Its not just all avoir BUSINESS !<br>
Pensons aussi ? l'homme dans tout ?a!<br>
Merci<br>
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Le mar. 18 f?vr. 2020 ? 14:30, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <<br>
<a href="mailto:funga.roho@yandex.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">funga.roho@yandex.com</a>> a ?crit :<br>
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> Jordi+1. Je soutiens la proposition de Jordi parceque la probl?matique des<br>
> boursiers influenc?s, ou contraint de participer ? d?bats avec une opinion<br>
> tranch?e peut fortement peser sur l'impartialit? des d?bateurs.<br>
><br>
> KANGAMUTIMA<br>
><br>
> 18.02.2020, 07:04, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>:<br>
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> I've proposed a very simple solution to this long time ago, which I think<br>
> it is very transparent and open. Short version reminder here:<br>
><br>
> Organizations that want to sponsor fellows are very welcome, but this need<br>
> to be coordinated with AFRINIC. Sponsors don't need to know who are the<br>
> fellows, AFRINIC will select them based in the rules jointly agreed with<br>
> the sponsor. AFRINIC and sponsor jointly define other details such as what<br>
> training materials are provided to the fellows, how they are evaluated and<br>
> if they don't match certain requirements (such as not actually coming to<br>
> the sessions, etc.), if they don't get reimbursed all the costs, etc.<br>
><br>
> If a sponsor doesn't want to follow those rules, then AFRINIC could reject<br>
> that sponsorship and ban them.<br>
><br>
> This provides the same advantages to all the parties, but the community<br>
> can be sure that fellows aren't influenced in any way.<br>
><br>
> Again, this is generic idea, many other details can be fixed, but I don't<br>
> think it is so difficult to match what both AFRINIC (organization),<br>
> sponsors, fellows and community need.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Jordi<br>
> @jordipalet<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ?El 18/2/20 15:56, "Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>> escribi?:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
> > On 17 Feb 2020, at 01:21, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Please just say what you mean.<br>
> ><br>
> > Owen<br>
><br>
> It walks like a duck .... we are paying money to motivate<br>
> participation.<br>
><br>
> In another context one might call it corruption.<br>
><br>
> Some people are publicly shifting long held positions since laurus<br>
> seems to be paying. ....... looks like a duck<br>
><br>
><br>
> The evidence is clear ...must be a duck ?<br>
><br>
> When i look back in the historical threads the Owen i know seems to be<br>
> speaking a different language these days.<br>
><br>
> But maybe its just my limited capacity to comprehend the issues at<br>
> hand.<br>
><br>
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