[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

Sun Jul 14 00:07:04 UTC 2019

Hello Lee,

Like I suggested earlier, AfriNIC will have no influence over such
transactions, and thus can not alter lease terms directly. The significance
of the body's presence is only as a book keeper.

Kind Regards,

Anthony

On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 20:54 , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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> From: Lee Howard <lee.howard at retevia.net>
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
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> I like the idea of leasing, in general.
>
> I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular leasing
> contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the addresses and
> the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the contract, including
> the term of the lease. If the lessor wants their addresses back, they
> have to give certain notice to the lessee.
>
> If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could keep them
> for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years while I deploy
> my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years and I think IPv4 won't
> be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into the contract unless it
> solved my problem.
>
> If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic) decided to
> cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4 addresses
> at whatever market rate happened to be?
>
> If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but decided
> to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting based on that
> revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I don't have that
> revenue any more. If I've been building out my network because I new I
> had thousands of dollars coming in, and suddenly I don't, I might have
> expenses I can't cover. What happens then?
>
> While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the Board could
> halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced makes more sense.
>
> Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.
>
> Lee
>
> On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu wrote:
> > Dear Jodi,
> >
> > I quite agree?with Soad's suggestion on IPv4 leasing, as Afric
> > shouldn't be boxed in.
> > A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner (Lessor) , the Lessee,
> > and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource leasing will be a way good way
> > forward.
> >
> > Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of these resources, a
> > policy that supports leasing is actually very necessary in keeping tap
> > on resource flow and an open market. This will also offer a leasing
> > guidelines and arrangement which will global for African resources
> > leased, like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource
> > protection.
> >
> > If the flow of resources maintains a negative trends like some people
> > suggest, it will be easier to control using uniform pricing and other
> > policies or strategies deemed fit by the community.
> >
> > In the mean time, I'd really love to see the impacts analyse.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, 13:00 , <rpd-request at afrinic.net
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> >     ? ? ? (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
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> >     Message: 1
> >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:48:17 +0100
> >     From: SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz <mailto:fs_abidi at esi.dz>>
> >     To: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Subject: [rpd]? inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
> >     Message-ID:
> >     ? ? ? ?
> >     <CAAKrF68NtNRLP=s3kYAQFsU0U1xzwbPRr65uGHt0rQKxerv1xQ at mail.gmail.com
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> >     Hello,
> >
> >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may
> >     run out
> >     from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in
> >     the policy
> >     - As some people argue.
> >     Here what I suggest :
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and
> >     the buyer
> >     up to 5? years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be
> >     the 3rd
> >     part of the? ? ? ? ? deal .
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no? approval.
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
> >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)
> >
> >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that our
> >     resources are
> >     running out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the
> >     companies do not renew the contract with .
> >
> >
> >     Best regards.
> >
> >     Souad
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> >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200
> >     From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> >     <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> >     To: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
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> >     Hi Souad,
> >
> >
> >
> >     The problem of this is that it will be useless with other RIRs,
> >     because they require reciprocity in their policies.
> >
> >
> >
> >     If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t do
> >     something that it is reciprocal with their policy.
> >
> >
> >
> >     I still think my approach with the suggested changes is the best
> >     one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will review the text to
> >     accommodate to it and send a new version.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Jordi
> >
> >     @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <fs_abidi at esi.dz
> >     <mailto:fs_abidi at esi.dz>> escribi?:
> >
> >
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may
> >     run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control
> >     motioned in the policy - As some people argue.
> >
> >     Here what I suggest :
> >
> >
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and
> >     the buyer up to 5? years with a possibility to renew it and
> >     AfriNIC? will be the 3rd part of the deal .
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no approval.
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.
> >
> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
> >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)
> >
> >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that our
> >     resources are running out from our region, we can decide to bring
> >     them back and the companies do not renew the contract with .
> >
> >
> >
> >     Best regards.
> >
> >     Souad
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