[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

[Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu]

Hello Lee,

Like I suggested earlier, AfriNIC will have no influence over such
transactions, and thus can not alter lease terms directly. The significance
of the body's presence is only as a book keeper.

Kind Regards,

Anthony


On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 20:54 , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:


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> From: Lee Howard <lee.howard at retevia.net>

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> Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

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> I like the idea of leasing, in general.

>

> I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular leasing

> contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the addresses and

> the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the contract, including

> the term of the lease. If the lessor wants their addresses back, they

> have to give certain notice to the lessee.

>

> If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could keep them

> for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years while I deploy

> my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years and I think IPv4 won't

> be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into the contract unless it

> solved my problem.

>

> If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic) decided to

> cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4 addresses

> at whatever market rate happened to be?

>

> If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but decided

> to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting based on that

> revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I don't have that

> revenue any more. If I've been building out my network because I new I

> had thousands of dollars coming in, and suddenly I don't, I might have

> expenses I can't cover. What happens then?

>

> While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the Board could

> halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced makes more sense.

>

> Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.

>

> Lee

>

> On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu wrote:

> > Dear Jodi,

> >

> > I quite agree?with Soad's suggestion on IPv4 leasing, as Afric

> > shouldn't be boxed in.

> > A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner (Lessor) , the Lessee,

> > and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource leasing will be a way good way

> > forward.

> >

> > Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of these resources, a

> > policy that supports leasing is actually very necessary in keeping tap

> > on resource flow and an open market. This will also offer a leasing

> > guidelines and arrangement which will global for African resources

> > leased, like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource

> > protection.

> >

> > If the flow of resources maintains a negative trends like some people

> > suggest, it will be easier to control using uniform pricing and other

> > policies or strategies deemed fit by the community.

> >

> > In the mean time, I'd really love to see the impacts analyse.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anthony

> >

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> >     ? ? ? (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)

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> >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:48:17 +0100

> >     From: SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz <mailto:fs_abidi at esi.dz>>

> >     To: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

> >     Subject: [rpd]? inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

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> >     Hello,

> >

> >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may

> >     run out

> >     from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in

> >     the policy

> >     - As some people argue.

> >     Here what I suggest :

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and

> >     the buyer

> >     up to 5? years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be

> >     the 3rd

> >     part of the? ? ? ? ? deal .

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no? approval.

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts

> >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)

> >

> >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that our

> >     resources are

> >     running out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the

> >     companies do not renew the contract with .

> >

> >

> >     Best regards.

> >

> >     Souad

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> >     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200

> >     From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es

> >     <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>

> >     To: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

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> >     Hi Souad,

> >

> >

> >

> >     The problem of this is that it will be useless with other RIRs,

> >     because they require reciprocity in their policies.

> >

> >

> >

> >     If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t do

> >     something that it is reciprocal with their policy.

> >

> >

> >

> >     I still think my approach with the suggested changes is the best

> >     one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will review the text to

> >     accommodate to it and send a new version.

> >

> >

> >

> >     Regards,

> >

> >     Jordi

> >

> >     @jordipalet

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >     El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <fs_abidi at esi.dz

> >     <mailto:fs_abidi at esi.dz>> escribi?:

> >

> >

> >

> >     Hello,

> >

> >

> >

> >     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may

> >     run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control

> >     motioned in the policy - As some people argue.

> >

> >     Here what I suggest :

> >

> >

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and

> >     the buyer up to 5? years with a possibility to renew it and

> >     AfriNIC? will be the 3rd part of the deal .

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?AfriNIC takes no money? and? makes no approval.

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.

> >

> >     ?? ? ? ? ?The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts

> >     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)

> >

> >     So buy adopting? this approach and? if we notice that our

> >     resources are running out from our region, we can decide to bring

> >     them back and the companies do not renew the contract with .

> >

> >

> >

> >     Best regards.

> >

> >     Souad

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