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    <p>I like the idea of leasing, in general.</p>
    <p>I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular
      leasing contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the
      addresses and the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the
      contract, including the term of the lease. If the lessor wants
      their addresses back, they have to give certain notice to the
      lessee.</p>
    <p>If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could
      keep them for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years
      while I deploy my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years
      and I think IPv4 won't be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into
      the contract unless it solved my problem. <br>
    </p>
    <p>If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic) decided
      to cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4
      addresses at whatever market rate happened to be? <br>
    </p>
    <p>If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but
      decided to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting
      based on that revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I
      don't have that revenue any more. If I've been building out my
      network because I new I had thousands of dollars coming in, and
      suddenly I don't, I might have expenses I can't cover. What
      happens then?</p>
    <p>While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the
      Board could halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced
      makes more sense.</p>
    <p>Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Lee<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony
      Ikechukwu wrote:<br>
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        <div>Dear Jodi, </div>
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        <div dir="auto">I quite agree with Soad's suggestion on IPv4
          leasing, as Afric shouldn't be boxed in. </div>
        <div dir="auto">A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner
          (Lessor) , the Lessee, and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource
          leasing will be a way good way forward. </div>
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        <div dir="auto">Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of
          these resources, a policy that supports leasing is actually
          very necessary in keeping tap on resource flow and an open
          market. This will also offer a leasing guidelines and
          arrangement which will global for African resources leased,
          like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource
          protection. </div>
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        <div dir="auto">If the flow of resources maintains a negative
          trends like some people suggest, it will be easier to control
          using uniform pricing and other policies or strategies deemed
          fit by the community. </div>
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        <div dir="auto">In the mean time, I'd really love to see the
          impacts analyse. </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Regards, </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Anthony </div>
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                 1.  inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals (SOUAD
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                 2. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals<br>
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              Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:48:17 +0100<br>
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              Hello,<br>
              <br>
              As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
              resources may run out<br>
              from our region-since there is no a explicit control
              motioned in the policy<br>
              - As some people argue.<br>
              Here what I suggest :<br>
              <br>
              ?         Establishing a leasing contract between the
              seller and the buyer<br>
              up to 5  years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC 
              will be the 3rd<br>
              part of the          deal .<br>
              <br>
              ?         AfriNIC takes no money  and  makes no  approval.<br>
              <br>
              ?         The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
              world.<br>
              <br>
              ?         The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts<br>
              (afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
              <br>
              So buy adopting  this approach and  if we notice that our
              resources are<br>
              running out from our region, we can decide to bring them
              back and the<br>
              companies do not renew the contract with .<br>
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              Best regards.<br>
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              Souad<br>
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              Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200<br>
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              Hi Souad,<br>
              <br>
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              <br>
              The problem of this is that it will be useless with other
              RIRs, because they require reciprocity in their policies.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t
              do something that it is reciprocal with their policy.<br>
              <br>
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              I still think my approach with the suggested changes is
              the best one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will
              review the text to accommodate to it and send a new
              version.<br>
              <br>
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              <br>
              Regards,<br>
              <br>
              Jordi<br>
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              @jordipalet<br>
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              El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <<a
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              escribi?:<br>
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              <br>
              <br>
              Hello, <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
              resources may run out from our region-since there is no a
              explicit control motioned in the policy - As some people
              argue.<br>
              <br>
              Here what I suggest : <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              ?         Establishing a leasing contract between the
              seller and the buyer up to 5  years with a possibility to
              renew it and AfriNIC  will be the 3rd part of the         
              deal .<br>
              <br>
              ?         AfriNIC takes no money  and  makes no 
              approval.  <br>
              <br>
              ?         The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
              world.<br>
              <br>
              ?         The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
              (afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
              <br>
              So buy adopting  this approach and  if we notice that our
              resources are running out from our region, we can decide
              to bring them back and the companies do not renew the
              contract with .  <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Best regards.<br>
              <br>
              Souad<br>
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