[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

[Lee Howard]

I like the idea of leasing, in general.

I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular leasing 
contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the addresses and 
the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the contract, including 
the term of the lease. If the lessor wants their addresses back, they 
have to give certain notice to the lessee.

If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could keep them 
for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years while I deploy 
my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years and I think IPv4 won't 
be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into the contract unless it 
solved my problem.

If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic) decided to 
cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4 addresses 
at whatever market rate happened to be?

If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but decided 
to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting based on that 
revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I don't have that 
revenue any more. If I've been building out my network because I new I 
had thousands of dollars coming in, and suddenly I don't, I might have 
expenses I can't cover. What happens then?

While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the Board could 
halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced makes more sense.

Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.

Lee

On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu wrote:

> Dear Jodi,

>

> I quite agree with Soad's suggestion on IPv4 leasing, as Afric 

> shouldn't be boxed in.

> A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner (Lessor) , the Lessee, 

> and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource leasing will be a way good way 

> forward.

>

> Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of these resources, a 

> policy that supports leasing is actually very necessary in keeping tap 

> on resource flow and an open market. This will also offer a leasing 

> guidelines and arrangement which will global for African resources 

> leased, like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource 

> protection.

>

> If the flow of resources maintains a negative trends like some people 

> suggest, it will be easier to control using uniform pricing and other 

> policies or strategies deemed fit by the community.

>

> In the mean time, I'd really love to see the impacts analyse.

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Anthony

>

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>     Hello,

>

>     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may

>     run out

>     from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in

>     the policy

>     - As some people argue.

>     Here what I suggest :

>

>     ?         Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and

>     the buyer

>     up to 5  years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC will be

>     the 3rd

>     part of the          deal .

>

>     ?         AfriNIC takes no money  and  makes no  approval.

>

>     ?         The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.

>

>     ?         The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts

>     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)

>

>     So buy adopting  this approach and  if we notice that our

>     resources are

>     running out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the

>     companies do not renew the contract with .

>

>

>     Best regards.

>

>     Souad

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>     Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:08:13 +0200

>     From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es

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>     Hi Souad,

>

>

>

>     The problem of this is that it will be useless with other RIRs,

>     because they require reciprocity in their policies.

>

>

>

>     If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t do

>     something that it is reciprocal with their policy.

>

>

>

>     I still think my approach with the suggested changes is the best

>     one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will review the text to

>     accommodate to it and send a new version.

>

>

>

>     Regards,

>

>     Jordi

>

>     @jordipalet

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>

>

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>     El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <fs_abidi at esi.dz

>     <mailto:fs_abidi at esi.dz>> escribi?:

>

>

>

>     Hello,

>

>

>

>     As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may

>     run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control

>     motioned in the policy - As some people argue.

>

>     Here what I suggest :

>

>

>

>     ?         Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and

>     the buyer up to 5  years with a possibility to renew it and

>     AfriNIC  will be the 3rd part of the deal .

>

>     ?         AfriNIC takes no money  and  makes no approval.

>

>     ?         The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.

>

>     ?         The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts

>     (afriNIC-seller-buyer)

>

>     So buy adopting  this approach and  if we notice that our

>     resources are running out from our region, we can decide to bring

>     them back and the companies do not renew the contract with .

>

>

>

>     Best regards.

>

>     Souad

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