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<p>I like the idea of leasing, in general.</p>
<p>I'm not sure this three-party contract will work. In a regular
leasing contract, the lessor and lessee (the one leasing out the
addresses and the one taking them in) negotiate the terms of the
contract, including the term of the lease. If the lessor wants
their addresses back, they have to give certain notice to the
lessee.</p>
<p>If I were leasing addresses, I would want to make sure I could
keep them for as long as I would need them. Maybe that's two years
while I deploy my IPv6 and translators. Maybe that's five years
and I think IPv4 won't be as necessary by then. I wouldn't go into
the contract unless it solved my problem. <br>
</p>
<p>If part way through the contract a third party (Afrinic) decided
to cancel it, what would I do then? Would I have to go buy IPv4
addresses at whatever market rate happened to be? <br>
</p>
<p>If were an African company and had addresses I could sell, but
decided to lease to a non-African company, I would be budgeting
based on that revenue. If Afrinic suddenly canceled my contract, I
don't have that revenue any more. If I've been building out my
network because I new I had thousands of dollars coming in, and
suddenly I don't, I might have expenses I can't cover. What
happens then?</p>
<p>While I think this is a good idea, I think the idea that the
Board could halt the inter-RIR transfer if it's too imbalanced
makes more sense.</p>
<p>Also, everyone should deploy IPv6. This IPv4 runout is risky.<br>
</p>
<p>Lee<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/19 5:38 AM, Ubah Anthony
Ikechukwu wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Jodi, </div>
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<div dir="auto">I quite agree with Soad's suggestion on IPv4
leasing, as Afric shouldn't be boxed in. </div>
<div dir="auto">A tripartite arrangement between Resource owner
(Lessor) , the Lessee, and AfriNIC (book keeping) on resource
leasing will be a way good way forward. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Since AFRINIC actually has no direct control of
these resources, a policy that supports leasing is actually
very necessary in keeping tap on resource flow and an open
market. This will also offer a leasing guidelines and
arrangement which will global for African resources leased,
like leasing duration, terms and conditions, and resource
protection. </div>
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<div dir="auto">If the flow of resources maintains a negative
trends like some people suggest, it will be easier to control
using uniform pricing and other policies or strategies deemed
fit by the community. </div>
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<div dir="auto">In the mean time, I'd really love to see the
impacts analyse. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards, </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Anthony </div>
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Hello,<br>
<br>
As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
resources may run out<br>
from our region-since there is no a explicit control
motioned in the policy<br>
- As some people argue.<br>
Here what I suggest :<br>
<br>
? Establishing a leasing contract between the
seller and the buyer<br>
up to 5 years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC
will be the 3rd<br>
part of the deal .<br>
<br>
? AfriNIC takes no money and makes no approval.<br>
<br>
? The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
world.<br>
<br>
? The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts<br>
(afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
<br>
So buy adopting this approach and if we notice that our
resources are<br>
running out from our region, we can decide to bring them
back and the<br>
companies do not renew the contract with .<br>
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<br>
Best regards.<br>
<br>
Souad<br>
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Hi Souad,<br>
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<br>
The problem of this is that it will be useless with other
RIRs, because they require reciprocity in their policies.<br>
<br>
<br>
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If we forget that the major ?donor? is ARIN and we don?t
do something that it is reciprocal with their policy.<br>
<br>
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I still think my approach with the suggested changes is
the best one. ASAP I can get the impact analysis, I will
review the text to accommodate to it and send a new
version.<br>
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El 12/7/19 12:55, "SOUAD ABIDI" <<a
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escribi?:<br>
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Hello, <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our
resources may run out from our region-since there is no a
explicit control motioned in the policy - As some people
argue.<br>
<br>
Here what I suggest : <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
? Establishing a leasing contract between the
seller and the buyer up to 5 years with a possibility to
renew it and AfriNIC will be the 3rd part of the
deal .<br>
<br>
? AfriNIC takes no money and makes no
approval. <br>
<br>
? The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
world.<br>
<br>
? The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
(afriNIC-seller-buyer)<br>
<br>
So buy adopting this approach and if we notice that our
resources are running out from our region, we can decide
to bring them back and the companies do not renew the
contract with . <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards.<br>
<br>
Souad<br>
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