[rpd] Legacy holders?

[Noah]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:21 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:


> Do they enforce this requirement in countries where no such license is

> required?

>


I dont know of any country with no telecommunications regulatory authority
in Africa but from my personal experience, I have found it rather great
that AfriNIC members services asks for such licenses since they are
mandated with the management of Internet Number Resources in Africa.



> Do they track the licensing requirements of each of the nations in the

> service region?

>

>

I dont have an answer to this question but perhaps if necessary they would.



> That sounds like a lot of overhead to me.

>


Not really....



> Owen

>

>

> On Jul 2, 2019, at 05:04 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>

> Andrew

>

> We all know what clause 6.1 says but I can assure you that Madhvi's team

> wont play until you prove that you have a license from the local regulator

> if you intend to build an Internet Infrastructure (ISP) on continent and

> need resources for the case of an LIR.

>

> This additional scrutiny don't have to be spelled out on the Bylaws but

> they are prudent for staff to ensure they don't allocate/assign space to a

> briefcase LIR.

>

> Noah

>

>

> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 09:43 Andrew Alston, <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>

> wrote:

>

>> Heh – again – there is no requirement to hold a license – anywhere.

>>

>>

>>

>> Again – clause 6.1 does not demand a license – it demands the member of

>> AfriNIC is providing services on the continent – it doesn’t say what

>> services – it doesn’t say that it has to be providing those services in the

>> country of domicile – it doesn’t say the services provided have to be

>> related to the resources AfriNIC grants it – it doesn’t say that you can’t

>> use the resources from AfriNIC off continent and use a /32 in Africa for

>> that matter.

>>

>>

>>

>> Heh – there are MANY reasons for a company to be domiciled in one country

>> and conducting business in another – so – I find this information a little

>> spurious

>>

>>

>>

>> Andrew

>>

>>

>>

>> *From:* Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 00:21

>> *To:* AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Legacy holders?

>>

>>

>>

>> In message <

>> CAEqgTWYs+9b2c4pP6cBAkQAOFXoi+rfOTqohzUz39LaQ13DZmg at mail.gmail.com>

>> Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

>>

>> >LIR membership 101 requires that one has a business license and another

>> >license from a local communications regulatory authority of the country

>> >where they are requesting space from. Member services team from AfriNIC

>> >always require this before space is allocated/assigned to an entity.

>>

>> That's really very interesting. I didn't know any of this before now.

>> (I am learning more and more, every day, by paying attention to the

>> postings

>> on this list!)

>>

>> Based on what you just said, I took it upon myself to try to find the

>> web sites for the local communications regulatory authority of a couple

>> of the specific national jurisdictions that Afrinic serves, and that are

>> of special interest to me, i.e. Seychelles and Mauritius.

>>

>> I think that I found both, but it appears that of the two, only the one

>> for Mauritius has an actual published online list of "License Holders":

>>

>> https://www.icta.mu/com_licences.html

>>

>> I also took it upon myself to try to see to what degree the list of

>> "Mauritius" members of Afrinic corresponded with the list of Mauritius

>> communications authority license holders.

>>

>> Of the thirty one (31) "Mauritius" members of Afrinic listed here:

>>

>> https://afrinic.net/membership/list

>>

>> Twelve (12) of them are listed as Mauritius communications authority

>> license holders. The remaining ninteen (19) are not so listed. These

>> are as follows:

>>

>> Leal Communication and informatics ltd

>> Mauritius Computing Services Ltd

>> Millenium Outsourcing Ltd

>> MXIT Lifestyle International Ltd

>> Mauritius Freeport Development Company Ltd

>> Liquid Telecommunications Operations Limited

>> SEACOM Limited

>> West Indian Ocean Cable Company

>> Pamoja Africa

>> La Sentinelle Ltd

>> MC VISION LTD

>> Internet Direct Ltd

>> Ireland Blyth Informatics LTD

>> University of Mauritius

>> Forcepoint Mauritius

>> Mauritius Internet Exchange Point

>> Woodynet Ltd

>> African Network Operators' Group (AFNOG)

>> African Network Information Center - ( AfriNIC Ltd. )

>>

>> I would guess that it is quite entirely reasonable that those last two are

>> not registered at communications companies within Mauritius, because I

>> doubt that either one is actually providing commercial communications

>> services of any kind within Mauritius. The rest I'm not so sure about.

>>

>> At present, I know of no way in which any "outsider" could determine

>> which, if any, of the twenty four (24) "Seychelles" members of Afrinic

>> are or are not licensed communications providers within that country.

>>

>> I'm not trying to make any particular point here. I just wanted to share

>> this info with everyone, in case folks other than me might also find it

>> interesting.

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>> rfg

>>

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