<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:21 AM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Do they enforce this requirement in countries where no such license is required?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I dont know of any country with no telecommunications regulatory authority in Africa but from my personal experience, I have found it rather great that AfriNIC members services asks for such licenses since they are mandated with the management of Internet Number Resources in Africa.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div><div>Do they track the licensing requirements of each of the nations in the service region?</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I dont have an answer to this question but perhaps if necessary they would.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div></div><div>That sounds like a lot of overhead to me.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not really....</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 2, 2019, at 05:04 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_5349498580127129858Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Andrew<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We all know what clause 6.1 says but I can assure you that Madhvi's team wont play until you prove that you have a license from the local regulator if you intend to build an Internet Infrastructure (ISP) on continent and need resources for the case of an LIR.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>This additional scrutiny don't have to be spelled out on the Bylaws but they are prudent for staff to ensure they don't allocate/assign space to a briefcase LIR.</div><div><br></div><div>Noah<br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 09:43 Andrew Alston, <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_5349498580127129858m_602413038043390983m_6586302025519961955WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Heh – again – there is no requirement to hold a license – anywhere.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Again – clause 6.1 does not demand a license – it demands the member of AfriNIC is providing services on the continent – it doesn’t say what services – it doesn’t say that it has to
be providing those services in the country of domicile – it doesn’t say the services provided have to be related to the resources AfriNIC grants it – it doesn’t say that you can’t use the resources from AfriNIC off continent and use a /32 in Africa for that
matter.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Heh – there are MANY reasons for a company to be domiciled in one country and conducting business in another – so – I find this information a little spurious<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-KE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>>
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Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br>
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>LIR membership 101 requires that one has a business license and another<br>
>license from a local communications regulatory authority of the country<br>
>where they are requesting space from. Member services team from AfriNIC<br>
>always require this before space is allocated/assigned to an entity.<br>
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That's really very interesting. I didn't know any of this before now.<br>
(I am learning more and more, every day, by paying attention to the postings<br>
on this list!)<br>
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Based on what you just said, I took it upon myself to try to find the<br>
web sites for the local communications regulatory authority of a couple<br>
of the specific national jurisdictions that Afrinic serves, and that are<br>
of special interest to me, i.e. Seychelles and Mauritius.<br>
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I think that I found both, but it appears that of the two, only the one<br>
for Mauritius has an actual published online list of "License Holders":<br>
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<a href="https://www.icta.mu/com_licences.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icta.mu/com_licences.html</a><br>
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I also took it upon myself to try to see to what degree the list of<br>
"Mauritius" members of Afrinic corresponded with the list of Mauritius<br>
communications authority license holders.<br>
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Of the thirty one (31) "Mauritius" members of Afrinic listed here:<br>
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<a href="https://afrinic.net/membership/list" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/membership/list</a><br>
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Twelve (12) of them are listed as Mauritius communications authority<br>
license holders. The remaining ninteen (19) are not so listed. These<br>
are as follows:<br>
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Leal Communication and informatics ltd<br>
Mauritius Computing Services Ltd<br>
Millenium Outsourcing Ltd<br>
MXIT Lifestyle International Ltd<br>
Mauritius Freeport Development Company Ltd<br>
Liquid Telecommunications Operations Limited<br>
SEACOM Limited<br>
West Indian Ocean Cable Company<br>
Pamoja Africa<br>
La Sentinelle Ltd<br>
MC VISION LTD<br>
Internet Direct Ltd<br>
Ireland Blyth Informatics LTD<br>
University of Mauritius<br>
Forcepoint Mauritius<br>
Mauritius Internet Exchange Point<br>
Woodynet Ltd<br>
African Network Operators' Group (AFNOG)<br>
African Network Information Center - ( AfriNIC Ltd. )<br>
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I would guess that it is quite entirely reasonable that those last two are<br>
not registered at communications companies within Mauritius, because I<br>
doubt that either one is actually providing commercial communications<br>
services of any kind within Mauritius. The rest I'm not so sure about.<br>
<br>
At present, I know of no way in which any "outsider" could determine<br>
which, if any, of the twenty four (24) "Seychelles" members of Afrinic<br>
are or are not licensed communications providers within that country.<br>
<br>
I'm not trying to make any particular point here. I just wanted to share<br>
this info with everyone, in case folks other than me might also find it<br>
interesting.<br>
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Regards,<br>
rfg<br>
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