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[rpd] Fwd: [arin-ppml] Micfo

Noah noah at
Wed May 15 14:28:34 UTC 2019


I can see good and very interesting discussions going on around the review
proposal about each parties role and responsibilities in managing Internet
Number Resources and using them to build a healthy and safe Internet. This
is a great discussion we are having, as it goes to educates many and remind
us our roles.

Improving accountability and responsively enforcing our principles seem
rather important. Doing nothing will not help either.

My 2cents......


On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:19 AM Owen DeLong <owen at> wrote:

> Attn: Marcus
> Please note the considerations by ARIN regarding this recent fraudster and
> the lengths to which ARIN is going to avoid unnecessary harm to downstream
> customers to the extent possible.
> Owen
> Begin forwarded message:
> *From: *John Curran <jcurran at>
> *Subject: **Re: [arin-ppml] Micfo*
> *Date: *May 14, 2019 at 15:00:44 PDT
> *To: *"Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at>
> *Cc: *"arin-ppml at" <arin-ppml at>
> Ronald -
> ARIN will take action to correct issuance of resources against requests
> determined to be fraudulent - but that does not preclude valid requests
> from the same entities, with properly issued resources being used to serve
> customers (many of which are likely to have done nothing wrong.)
> I would recommend careful consideration of any policy that starts
> assigning labels to entities and requires unilateral revocation based on
> those same labels – both because of the potential for harm to innocent
> parties, and the potential for abuse (ie speculative fraud reports against
> a competitors becomes a potential weapon.)
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> On May 14, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at>
> wrote:
> ...
> Don't get me wrong.  I am breaking out the champagne over ARIN's victory
> here, but it is somewhat of a pyrrhic one if this shchmuck is still going
> to be allowed to operate on the Internet, from ANRI-issued space, alongside
> respectable people and companies.
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