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[rpd] Fwd: [arin-ppml] Micfo

Owen DeLong owen at
Thu May 16 00:17:37 UTC 2019

Preserving the status quo which is quite functional, IMHO, is not the same as “doing nothing”.


> On May 15, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Noah <noah at> wrote:
> Hi,
> I can see good and very interesting discussions going on around the review proposal about each parties role and responsibilities in managing Internet Number Resources and using them to build a healthy and safe Internet. This is a great discussion we are having, as it goes to educates many and remind us our roles.
> Improving accountability and responsively enforcing our principles seem rather important. Doing nothing will not help either.
> My 2cents......
> Cheers,
> Noah
> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:19 AM Owen DeLong <owen at <mailto:owen at>> wrote:
> Attn: Marcus
> Please note the considerations by ARIN regarding this recent fraudster and the lengths to which ARIN is going to avoid unnecessary harm to downstream customers to the extent possible.
> Owen
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: John Curran <jcurran at <mailto:jcurran at>>
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Micfo
>> Date: May 14, 2019 at 15:00:44 PDT
>> To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at <mailto:rfg at>>
>> Cc: "arin-ppml at <mailto:arin-ppml at>" <arin-ppml at <mailto:arin-ppml at>>
>> Ronald - 
>> ARIN will take action to correct issuance of resources against requests determined to be fraudulent - but that does not preclude valid requests from the same entities, with properly issued resources being used to serve customers (many of which are likely to have done nothing wrong.)
>> I would recommend careful consideration of any policy that starts assigning labels to entities and requires unilateral revocation based on those same labels – both because of the potential for harm to innocent parties, and the potential for abuse (ie speculative fraud reports against a competitors becomes a potential weapon.)
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>> On May 14, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at <mailto:rfg at>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Don't get me wrong.  I am breaking out the champagne over ARIN's victory
>>> here, but it is somewhat of a pyrrhic one if this shchmuck is still going
>>> to be allowed to operate on the Internet, from ANRI-issued space, alongside
>>> respectable people and companies.
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