[rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy

[Boubakar Barry]

Dear Members of this Community,

I think it's unfair to threaten PDP Co-Chairs and ultimately AFRINIC for
decisions taken in the best of Co-Chairs' knowledge and judgement.

They are volunteers, not paid by AFRINIC, and they spend a lot of their
time serving the community.

I am not saying that people cannot challenge their decisions, but instead
of harassing them, a bit of appreciation and decency would not harm.

Boubakar

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:55 PM Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com> wrote:

> Andrew
>
> Did you counted how many times you used the word "appeal" in last two days
> ?
> Instead of threatening the community with this legal proccess would you
> please try to believe in the people in the community and contribute to
> enhance the mentioned proposal and the process as a whole as you confirm
> some of your questions has been answered.
> Finally, I'm here to defend the proccess but not the content of any
> proposal and as co-chair I stand in a similar distance from all opinions.
>
> BR
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 3:37 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> *Subject:* RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
> I did not question if there was an error letting the policy come up for
> discussion – that question – was asked by another.
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> I question how it could have reached consensus without any modification –
> and without all substantial issues being addressed – and considering that a
> multitude of issues raised in previous emails and on the mailing lists have
> never been dealt with and have been discarded.  My other questions have
> been answered – and I have made my notes as regards those answers, which
> may or may not form input into a forthcoming appeal.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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> *From:* Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>
> *Sent:* 03 December 2018 15:33
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>; Ernest Byaruhanga <
> ernest at afrinic.net>; Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
>
>
> I allways try to spare the community time by not repeating things, you ask
> a question and I tried to answer, would you please first confirmed that
> your 1st inqury has been addressed, then you can ask new questions.
>
> Here we are tring to develop policies to the benefit of the community, and
> not exhausted our selves with series of questions and repeat them. I hope
> you understand my logic and I hope its not ""severely flawed"" any more.
>
> BR
>
>
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 3:09 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> *Subject:* RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Sami,
>
>
>
> The line of thinking is severely flawed – firstly – you have the
> objections from the mailing lists – are you assuming that comments from the
> mailing lists between meetings disappear some how at the end of a meeting?
>
>
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> Are you saying that a community member who cannot afford to fly to every
> meeting has his input disregarded from one meeting to the next?
>
>
>
> This does not make any logical sense in my mind… and prejuidices towards
> the voices of people who can afford to travel meeting to meeting to meeting
> – be it on their own dime, their companies dime, or sponsored.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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> *From:* Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>
> *Sent:* 03 December 2018 15:02
> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>; Ernest Byaruhanga <
> ernest at afrinic.net>; Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
>
>
> Daniel's inqury was "*Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs erred to
> have allowed the policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.*"
>
> and I point him to the answer.
>
>
>
> Now, you inqury was also replied to this morning, see the link
>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008718.html
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>
> BR
>
>
>
> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 2:51 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih; Ernest Byaruhanga; Daniel Yakmut
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> *Subject:* RE: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Sami,
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>
>
> Actually the below link far from addresses the question at hand.
>
>
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> How does a policy gain consensus when it failed to gain it once before –
> without the concerns and substantive issues being addressed.  Either
> someone would have to withdraw their objections – or the objections which
> resulted in the failure of consensus would have to be addressed – which
> would at least in certain cases reflect in a change of the text.
>
>
>
> Yes – the policy is still active – but it is active without consensus –
> since there is no way that consensus can reached without either a change in
> the policy or an explicit withdrawal of the MULTITUDE of objections that
> have been raised against this policy, so can the co-chairs please explain
> how this can happen in their view – because I think myself, and others are
> VERY confused as to how consensus could have been gained here.
>
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>
> Andrew
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> *From:* Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>
> *Sent:* 03 December 2018 14:44
> *To:* Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net>; Daniel Yakmut <
> yakmutd at googlemail.com>
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
>
>
> Your question has already addressed in a previous email this morning, So I
> hope you carefully follow the thread in the list to avoid unnecessary
> repetition.
>
> Please refer to this link
>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008715.html
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> PDWG Co-Chairs
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> *Dr. Sami H.O. Salih*
> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN
> President of SDv6TF
> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 2:24 PM
> *To:* Ernest Byaruhanga
> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Thank you Ernest for your kind response. This clearly showed that the
> authors of the Review Policy do not care about any input from the
> community.
>
>
>
> From the last date of submission, it means nothing was considered by the
> authors from input made in Dakar meeting.
>
>
>
> This means the policy remained as is without any input or review for over
> six months. Making it stale and should have been dicarded.
>
>
>
> Can I then conclude that the PDP Co-Chairs erred to have allowed the
> policy come.up.for discussion in Tunisia.
>
>
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> Is there no case of disregard for rules here?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, 12:04 PM Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
> Nishal,
>
> > have there been any updates to this policy since the previous meeting.
>
> No.
>
> Version 6 was received on 10 April 2018, and no newer version thereafter.
>
> More info:
> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/2016-gen-001-d6#details
>
> Ernest.
>
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