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[rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Sat Dec 1 17:01:37 UTC 2018
If I look at the AFRINIC Web site - I see...
https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
This shows there has been no updates to the "Internet Number Resources
review" policy - so how can it ever pass to last call if there hasn't
been any changes? All the old arguments still stand against it!
On 12/1/18 10:21 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote:
> Hello Mark,
> See responses in-line
>
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018, 8:52 AM Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za
> <mailto:mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>
> From what Andrew is saying - the policy should never have gone to
> last call if there have been no changes. That's how the PDP
> process is meant to work. In reality - if the whole community
> accepted seeing a policy for the second time - then fair enough -
> but that is NOT the case here. I strongly oppose this policy. I
> have also watched the antics of the people pushing this policy and
> I think it was extremely rude and totally out of place for one of
> their party to call someone else in the room a "visitor" -
> suggesting that that other person had no rights to be present. The
> person being subjected to this treatment provided much needed
> input (and policies) to the Policy Development Process -
> especially regarding IPv6 - which is our future.
> We should have no place for Name Calling.
>
> Not speaking for the person here, but I remembered watching it
> remotely where the said person clarified his statement.
>
> I never heard an apology either.
>
> I think you should watch again, the person apologised if his statement
> has been misinterpreted and even heard applause from the room afterwards.
For clarity, this was Alain calling Jordi a visitor in what seemed like
an unpleasant connotation. I distinctly remember the audience
unfortunately applauding at his remark. Chatting to others in the room
since then - no apology was made. They were also taken aback by the episode.
I was both listening for the whole day (and the day before and after)
and also logged in on the Chat system.
> Anyway - I believe that the PDP Co-Chairs have made a mistake and
> this Policy has not reached a positive Consensus (actually quite
> the opposite to Positive). It should not be at last call.
>
> The Policy - if used - is also extremely dangerous to the
> existence and financial well being of the Company (AFRINIC).
> It really should be withdrawn.
>
> I thought Staff Assessment was conducted. I believe this must have
> been sorted out and necessary clarification provided.
>
> On 12/1/18 9:15 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:
>>
>> Sorry – I need to correct something in my email below –
>>
>>
>>
>> I said there were no _/substantive/_ changes since the last
>> rejection of this policy – this is inaccurate – there were **NO**
>> - changes – substantive or otherwise – zero – zip – none – as per
>> the website which publishes draft 6
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 09:27
>> *To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com" <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
>> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>,
>> Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>>
>>
>>
>> Aleruchi,
>>
>>
>>
>> While I agree with everything you have said – let us also be
>> pragmatic. This policy is pushed by the same crowd that walked
>> to the microphone and agreed at the request of the community to
>> drop another policy, and then reneged on it. This policy has
>> been rejected, as has the soft landing policy, over and over
>> again – yet the authors do not give a damn about the will of the
>> community or the good of the community. Go and watch the videos
>> of the Mauritian policy meeting – you will notice the same people
>> involved in what happened there are involved in this policy as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> The authors have clearly demonstrated that they care not a whit
>> about what this community wants or believes is good for it, they
>> have demonstrated bad faith, and shown that the only thing they
>> care about is shoving something through no matter the consequence
>> – and the co-chairs have already shown that they either do not
>> understand the concept of consensus – or simply do not care.
>> Fact is – there is precedent on co-chairs being overturned on
>> appeal in another RIR – and when it happened – the person who was
>> overturned – ceased to be a co-chair. These co-chairs however
>> are insistent on a path that ignores the consensus process, and
>> seem hell bent on forcing a situation where they are overturned –
>> yet again – or failing that forcing AfriNIC into an untenable and
>> potentially costly process beyond the appeal process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reality is – there were _/no/_ substantive changes to this policy
>> from the last time it was rejected – and the objections to the
>> policy that were stated back then have never been withdrawn, and
>> by lack of changes in the text can be clearly demonstrated to not
>> have been addressed – this flies in the very face of the
>> definition of consensus – the co-chairs however simply do not care.
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcome to what our PDP process has become – the bullying of the
>> minority supported by co-chairs who do not understand consensus –
>> to push through agendas that have zero to do with the good of the
>> community and more to do with standing your ground to prove that
>> you can.
>>
>>
>>
>> And btw – before I’m attacked – yes – I have proposed some
>> controversial policies over the years – fact is – all of them
>> were withdrawn when the community wanted that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Reply-To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com"
>> <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
>> <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 07:02
>> *To: *Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
>> <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>, rpd List
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>>
>>
>>
>> It's very sad that this policy still lingers like a nightmare
>> after it has been rejected over and over again. It has
>> consistently bred anger and mistrust.
>>
>> Please for the sake of unity, I will advice the chairs to do what
>> is right by the people. DROP THIS POLICY.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Aleruchi
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 4:15 am, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
>>
>> <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
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