[rpd] Questions for Alain...

[Lee Howard]

On 06/05/2018 07:00 AM, Kris Seeburn wrote:
> Then it is time we adopt other RIR policy in that line. Let us just 
> cut the chase and move into the same global chain of events. Stop the 
> fightings and accept the logical path.

I don't find "what the rest of the world does" to be a compelling 
argument for Africa. What's good for the rest of the world may not be 
good for Africa.

The price of IPv4 addresses is rising on the global market. It should 
reach US$20 per address this year for small blocks (/19 and smaller), a 
bit more for a /16, and even more for large sections of a /8.

Prices like that would affect Africans in different ways. Some might be 
able to buy addresses, because they need them in order to grow. Some 
might sell addresses, which could allow them to buy new hardware, expand 
their cable plant, or hire more people. It might make economic sense in 
many cases to sell IPv4 addresses and use IPv6 plus translation. (If an 
IPv4 address is worth US$24, then why not charge your customer $2/month 
for not letting you sell that address?).

Done collaboratively, I can imagine ISPs, IXPs, and web hosting 
companies migrating quickly to IPv6 with just a small translator 
infrastructure between them. It could be similar to what we've seen in 
several parts of Africa where a small old-fashioned infrastructure (land 
lines, banks) have enabled Africa to leapfrog much of the world (mobile 
phones, phone payments).

I'd like to do some more study to think about how this would play out. 
Maybe in time for the next meeting.

Disclosure: I consult on IPv6 and the IPv4 market and provide IPv6-IPv4 
translators. I therefore have an interest in seeing IPv6 deployed. 
However, I started my company because I believe IPv6 is the best way to 
protect the stability and connectivity of the Internet (as opposed to 
lots of NAT, or pockets of disconnectivity). In this thread, it seemed 
relevant to disclose this interest.

Lee Howard
Retevia

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>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 15:19, Chevalier du Borg <virtual.borg at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:virtual.borg at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Dear M. Alson
>>
>>
>> Is there a logic arguement in here somewhere?
>> Ad-hominem is not logic
>>
>>
>> After all, yourself have defended broker on this list saying there 
>> nothing wrong with it.
>>
>>
>> The doctor advise to STOP smoking is still good advice for you, even 
>> if doctor hisself is a big smoker.
>>
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>> Le mar. 5 juin 2018 à 14:31, Andrew Alston 
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com 
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> a écrit :
>>
>>     You have actively supported and fought for the new soft landing
>>     policy – to artificially restrict space to entities that need it.
>>
>>     Now, I’d like to ask – as an author of the soft-landing-bis
>>     policy which you have STILL not withdrawn… aren’t you just a
>>     LITTLE bit conflicted in trying to create an artificial shortage
>>     and make it hard for people to get space – while starting and
>>     founding an IP broker in Africa?
>>
>>     Maybe now we understand the **true** motivations behind the soft
>>     landing bis policy….
>>
>>     http://ext-host.trstech.net/ipregistrar/trust_us.html
>>
>>     Andrew
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