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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/2018 07:00 AM, Kris Seeburn
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Then it is time we adopt other RIR policy in that line. Let us
just cut the chase and move into the same global chain of events.
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I don't find "what the rest of the world does" to be a compelling
argument for Africa. What's good for the rest of the world may not
be good for Africa.<br>
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The price of IPv4 addresses is rising on the global market. It
should reach US$20 per address this year for small blocks (/19 and
smaller), a bit more for a /16, and even more for large sections of
a /8. <br>
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Prices like that would affect Africans in different ways. Some might
be able to buy addresses, because they need them in order to grow.
Some might sell addresses, which could allow them to buy new
hardware, expand their cable plant, or hire more people. It might
make economic sense in many cases to sell IPv4 addresses and use
IPv6 plus translation. (If an IPv4 address is worth US$24, then why
not charge your customer $2/month for not letting you sell that
address?).<br>
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Done collaboratively, I can imagine ISPs, IXPs, and web hosting
companies migrating quickly to IPv6 with just a small translator
infrastructure between them. It could be similar to what we've seen
in several parts of Africa where a small old-fashioned
infrastructure (land lines, banks) have enabled Africa to leapfrog
much of the world (mobile phones, phone payments). <br>
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I'd like to do some more study to think about how this would play
out. Maybe in time for the next meeting.<br>
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Disclosure: I consult on IPv6 and the IPv4 market and provide
IPv6-IPv4 translators. I therefore have an interest in seeing IPv6
deployed. However, I started my company because I believe IPv6 is
the best way to protect the stability and connectivity of the
Internet (as opposed to lots of NAT, or pockets of disconnectivity).
In this thread, it seemed relevant to disclose this interest.<br>
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Lee Howard<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You have actively supported
and fought for the new soft landing policy –
to artificially restrict space to entities
that need it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now, I’d like to ask – as
an author of the soft-landing-bis policy which
you have STILL not withdrawn… aren’t you just
a LITTLE bit conflicted in trying to create an
artificial shortage and make it hard for
people to get space – while starting and
founding an IP broker in Africa?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe now we understand the
*<b class="">true</b>* motivations behind the
soft landing bis policy….</p>
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