[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

[Mike Burns]

Hi Noah,

 

Having ARIN addresses and not utilizing them is in compliance with all ARIN policies.

Does that help you to clearly understand the ARIN review process?

Really it is limited to fraud.  

You keep referring to the section 12 in the ARIN NRPM as if it were comparable to the proposal here, but it is materially different, in that the only revocation power that ARIN has is for failure to pay dues, or fraud. 

 

This proposal in last call enables AFRINIC to revoke space for lack of utilization, which power comes with attendant risks and problems which have been made quite clear on this list, and remain unaddressed to my thinking.

 

Regards,

Mike

 

 

From: Noah [mailto:noah at neo.co.tz] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:19 PM
To: David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

 

 

 

On 12 Jul 2017 5:41 p.m., "David Hilario" <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net <mailto:d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net> > wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:04 PM, David Hilario
> <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net <mailto:d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net> > wrote:
>>
>

Those reviews are not aimed at de-registration of resources, they
simply do not go down that path.
Listen to the very comments from the respective registration managers
that were in Mauritius and commented on that very topic.
I am glad you were in the room, listen back to their comments again as
you are only remembering half of what they said.

 

David,

 

Speculation and fearmongering aside.

 

Ok lets put fraud aside and look at ARIN review policy from a compliance point of view and I will quote again.

 

ARIN

 <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve  

And below is the content of ARIN NRP section 12. Subsection 4 (1) and (2)


4. Organizations found by ARIN to be materially out of compliance with current ARIN policy shall be requested or required to return resources as needed to bring them into (or reasonably close to) compliance.


1.	The degree to which an organization may remain out of compliance shall be based on the reasonable judgment of the ARIN staff and shall balance all facts known, including the organization's utilization rate, available address pool, and other factors as appropriate so as to avoid forcing returns which will result in near-term additional requests or unnecessary route de-aggregation.
2.	To the extent possible, entire blocks should be returned. Partial address blocks shall be returned in such a way that the portion retained will comprise a single aggregate block.

 

What does the above mean in alay mans lingo considering English is foreign to me.

 

Cheers

Noah

 

 

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