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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Having ARIN addresses and not utilizing them is in compliance with all ARIN policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Does that help you to clearly understand the ARIN review process?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Really it is limited to fraud. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>You keep referring to the section 12 in the ARIN NRPM as if it were comparable to the proposal here, but it is materially different, in that the only revocation power that ARIN has is for failure to pay dues, or fraud. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This proposal in last call enables AFRINIC to revoke space for lack of utilization, which power comes with attendant risks and problems which have been made quite clear on this list, and remain unaddressed to my thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Noah [mailto:noah@neo.co.tz] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Hilario <d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net><br><b>Cc:</b> rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12 Jul 2017 5:41 p.m., "David Hilario" <<a href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net" target="_blank">d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:04 PM, David Hilario<br>> <<a href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net" target="_blank">d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Those reviews are not aimed at de-registration of resources, they<br>simply do not go down that path.<br>Listen to the very comments from the respective registration managers<br>that were in Mauritius and commented on that very topic.<br>I am glad you were in the room, listen back to their comments again as<br>you are only remembering half of what they said.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>David,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Speculation and fearmongering aside.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ok lets put fraud aside and look at ARIN review policy from a compliance point of view and I will quote again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>ARIN</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><br></span><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve" target="_blank"><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4285F4'>https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve</span></b></a><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <br><br>And below is the content of ARIN NRP section 12. Subsection 4 (1) and (2)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><h3><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>4. Organizations found by ARIN to be materially out of compliance with current ARIN policy shall be requested or required to return resources as needed to bring them into (or reasonably close to) compliance.<o:p></o:p></span></h3><div><ol start=1 type=1><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The degree to which an organization may remain out of compliance shall be based on the reasonable judgment of the ARIN staff and shall balance all facts known, including the organization's utilization rate, available address pool, and other factors as appropriate so as to avoid forcing returns which will result in near-term additional requests or unnecessary route de-aggregation.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To the extent possible, entire blocks should be returned. Partial address blocks shall be returned in such a way that the portion retained will comprise a single aggregate block.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol></ol><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>What does the above mean in alay mans lingo considering English is foreign to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Noah<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>