[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jul 11 13:53:12 UTC 2017

I think that the problem here is that anyone can ask for a review on any
member, with no restriction on the number of times. Tying up the member
and AFRNIC and a admin nightmare.

It is my understanding that under the RSA, if resources are not being
used, AFRNIC has the right to investigate. If there is evidence to suspect
that a member has stopped using the resources under which the allocation
was justified, I am sure that if such evidence was made available to
AFRINIC, under the current RSA, they’d have the authority to validate.

From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mailto:madomey at hotmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2017 03:24 PM
To: Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>; Kris Seeburn
<seeburn.k at gmail.com>
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList. <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Hi Kris,

Is the former board member insinuating that AfriNIC  is  low class RIR"?
How can the community understand this fall?

Anyway, how much does review  cost ARIN and RIPE? Could would you please
be specific with figures? How do they  manage  based on their respective
size? Please stop appealing to emotion and rather be factual.

By the way, your question  “do you guys know arin and ripe financial
capability?” clearly show that review should be done.

Are you saying that because of the perception that AfriNIC is poor we
should not be accountable and transparent. What irony! You have therefore
given more reason for the community to support, adopt and implement this
policy.

Cheers

Marcus

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From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:10:14 PM
To: Ornella GANKPA
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList.
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

just one question : do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability?
in comparison to the weakest of all RIR? Think properly and cut emotions
else guys do what you want and when afrinic is hit hard then do notl look
back i hope the only 1500 we have also cheating our own system can bail
afrinic out.

On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com
<mailto:honest1989 at gmail.com> > wrote:

+1 omo

I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions on this
list made me check the situation in other regions and I found the
following:

ARIN
====
INRs review
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve

Fraud and abuse reports
https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/

Quarterly report
https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/

RIPE
=====

Audit Activity
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423

Report form
https://www.ripe.net/report-form

This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done elsewhere
and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and mitigated. This is
becoming a must when we all seem to agree the future of RIR is in
“Registry Accuracy”.

Best regards

Honest Ornella GANKPA

Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a écrit :

Owen,

The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will
respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The
fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the
volume.

It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the
community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries
even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.

AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a
policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job

Omo

On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
<mailto:owen at delong.com> > wrote:

Sami,

The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than
enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that
this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs
to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or
abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason
for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy
has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only
confuses the community.

Owen

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
<mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd> > wrote:
>
>
> Dear Andrew and Community,
>
> As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than
two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call
to be concluded.
>
> Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>
http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-m
anual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
>
> The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the
legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final
assessment of the legal advisor today.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> Sudan University of Science and Technology
> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu <mailto:sami.salih at sustech.edu>
> Mob: +249122045707 <tel:%2B249122045707>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> >
>> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>
>> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>>
>> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count,
last
>> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will
be
>> declared for this last call period please.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net
<mailto:ashok at afrinic.net> ]
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number
>> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy
under
>> reference.
>> Regards
>> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>> Legal Adviser
>> AFRINIC
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