[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jul 11 13:53:09 UTC 2017

Marcus, 100% AfriNIC is the weakest RIR financially - that cannot be disputed.

If you want the figures:

As of the 31st of December 2016 RIPE was sitting on cash and cash equivalents of 28.3 million Euros
As of the 31st of December 2015 ARIN was sitting on a total of 31.69 million dollars (2016 financial report from ARIN is not yet available)
As of the 31st of December 2016 APNIC was sitting on cash and cash equivalents of 5.5 million dollars
As of the 31st of December 2016 LACNIC was sitting on 818,879 in the bank and an additional 4 million dollars in investment accounts, as well as a further 1.4 million in trade receivables

As of the 31st of December 2016, by comparison, was sitting on total cash and cash equivalent of $3.51 million dollars.

If you go further than this, to look at the total asset value of any of the RIR's, AfriNIC is dwarfed by any of the other RIR's.

Kris NEVER stated that AFRINIC was a "low class" RIR, he stated that we were the weakest RIR financially - that is fact - it cannot be denied - the reasons for it are immaterial - but no matter how you look at it - AfriNIC by comparison to the other RIR's is relatively poor.

Andrew

From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mailto:madomey at hotmail.com]
Sent: 11 July 2017 16:24
To: Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>; Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList. <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Hi Kris,

Is the former board member insinuating that AfriNIC  is  low class RIR"? How can the community understand this fall?

Anyway, how much does review  cost ARIN and RIPE? Could would you please be specific with figures? How do they  manage  based on their respective size? Please stop appealing to emotion and rather be factual.

By the way, your question  "do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability?" clearly show that review should be done.

Are you saying that because of the perception that AfriNIC is poor we should not be accountable and transparent. What irony! You have therefore given more reason for the community to support, adopt and implement this policy.

Cheers

Marcus
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From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com<mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:10:14 PM
To: Ornella GANKPA
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList.
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

just one question : do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability? in comparison to the weakest of all RIR? Think properly and cut emotions else guys do what you want and when afrinic is hit hard then do notl look back i hope the only 1500 we have also cheating our own system can bail afrinic out.

On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com<mailto:honest1989 at gmail.com>> wrote:

+1 omo

I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions on this list made me check the situation in other regions and I found the following:

ARIN
====
INRs review
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve<https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve>

Fraud and abuse reports
https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/<https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/>

Quarterly report
https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/<https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/>

RIPE
=====

Audit Activity
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423<https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423>

Report form
https://www.ripe.net/report-form<https://www.ripe.net/report-form>

This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done elsewhere and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and mitigated. This is becoming a must when we all seem to agree the future of RIR is in "Registry Accuracy".
Best regards

Honest Ornella GANKPA
Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a écrit :
Owen,

The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.

It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.

AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job

Omo

On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
Sami,

The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.

Owen

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd<mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>> wrote:
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>
> Dear Andrew and Community,
>
> As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to be concluded.
>
> Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
> http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess<http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess>
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> The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final assessment of the legal advisor today.
>
> Best Regards,
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> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>> To: rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
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>> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>>
>> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count, last
>> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will be
>> declared for this last call period please.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net<mailto:ashok at afrinic.net>]
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
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>> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number
>> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy under
>> reference.
>> Regards
>> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
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