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[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Kris Seeburn seeburn.k at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 13:57:38 UTC 2017 

Saul looking at your logic here we can surely act but the policy on its whole does not state that. I am of opinion if taking it in steps which are not counter financial to Afrinic at this point. 

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za> wrote:
> 
>  
> I think that the problem here is that anyone can ask for a review on any member, with no restriction on the number of times. Tying up the member and AFRNIC and a admin nightmare.
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> It is my understanding that under the RSA, if resources are not being used, AFRNIC has the right to investigate. If there is evidence to suspect that a member has stopped using the resources under which the allocation was justified, I am sure that if such evidence was made available to AFRINIC, under the current RSA, they’d have the authority to validate.
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> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mailto:madomey at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: 11 July 2017 03:24 PM
> To: Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>; Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList. <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>  
> Hi Kris, 
>  
> Is the former board member insinuating that AfriNIC  is  low class RIR"? How can the community understand this fall? 
>  
> Anyway, how much does review  cost ARIN and RIPE? Could would you please be specific with figures? How do they  manage  based on their respective size? Please stop appealing to emotion and rather be factual. 
>  
> By the way, your question  “do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability?” clearly show that review should be done.
>  
> Are you saying that because of the perception that AfriNIC is poor we should not be accountable and transparent. What irony! You have therefore given more reason for the community to support, adopt and implement this policy.
>  
>  
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
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> From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:10:14 PM
> To: Ornella GANKPA
> Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList.
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>  
> just one question : do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability? in comparison to the weakest of all RIR? Think properly and cut emotions else guys do what you want and when afrinic is hit hard then do notl look back i hope the only 1500 we have also cheating our own system can bail afrinic out. 
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>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com <mailto:honest1989 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> +1 omo
>> 
>> I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions on this list made me check the situation in other regions and I found the following:
>> 
>> ARIN
>> ====
>> INRs review
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve>
>> 
>> Fraud and abuse reports
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/ <https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/>
>> 
>> Quarterly report 
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/ <https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/>
>> 
>> 
>> RIPE
>> =====
>> 
>> Audit Activity
>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423>
>> 
>> Report form
>> https://www.ripe.net/report-form <https://www.ripe.net/report-form>
>> 
>> This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done elsewhere and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and mitigated. This is becoming a must when we all seem to agree the future of RIR is in “Registry Accuracy”.
>> Best regards
>> Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a écrit :
>>> Owen, 
>>>  
>>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
>>>  
>>> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.    
>>>  
>>> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job 
>>>  
>>> Omo
>>>  
>>> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>>>> Sami,
>>>> 
>>>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.
>>>> 
>>>> Owen
>>>> 
>>>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>>>> >
>>>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to be concluded.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>>>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess <http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess>
>>>> >
>>>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final assessment of the legal advisor today.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>>>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>>>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>>>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu <mailto:sami.salih at sustech.edu>
>>>> > Mob: +249122045707 <tel:%2B249122045707>
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count, last
>>>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>>>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will be
>>>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Andrew
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net <mailto:ashok at afrinic.net>]
>>>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number
>>>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear All,
>>>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy under
>>>> >> reference.
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>>>> >> Legal Adviser
>>>> >> AFRINIC
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