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[rpd] Policy Proposal Update - IPv4 Soft Landing-bis

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at
Sun Aug 28 07:39:24 UTC 2016

So, lets look at this like this

Certain countries are starting to propose regulations that state that all public hotspots HAVE to have public IP addresses – see the Kenyan draft regulations (actually interestingly enough I believe that’s also the status-quo in certain European countries)

Now, taken from the perspective of a company that does public hotspots, supporting thousands of users, limiting the amount of space a provider can get = limitation on the amount of public hotspots they can provide.

Does this really impact the company providing the hotspots?  Well, probably not from a revenue perspective, not massively anyway.  However, it *DOES* directly impact the *AFRICAN CUSTOMER*

Yes, I know some are going to say that v4 space is running out – so the impact is coming anyway, however, why not let those who have the ability to actually service the customers *TODAY* do so?  Why the limitations and the dragging out of v4 life span when the rest of the world has already gone over the cliff?

Are we looking at this from the perspective of the consumer, or the perspective of the ISP here – if we care about only the small ISP’s interests fine, hold back the space, let it lie idle until it becomes worthless and in the end hurt the whole industry.  If we’re thinking about the African consumer, then we have to look very differently, because consumers need to be connected, be it by a BIG ISP, or a SMALL ISP – not held back because certain people are attempting to discriminate against large companies for their own selfish reasons, and hold stuff in reserve for themselves in case one day in the distant future they can accomplish what they haven’t been able to do up till now, roll out networks that can actually use the space for the benefit of the consumer.

Sorry – I do not buy this notion of “fairness” to the ISP’s, because “fairness” to the ISP’s is not what this is about – ensuring that the continent moves forward and the people are connected TODAY is what this is about.  The rest of the world is moving on, and any action that slows down internet adoption on the continent does nothing but put this continent further behind – it is foolish, it is selfish, and it is a damning reflection on all who support such.



From: John Hay [mailto:jhay at]
Sent: 27 August 2016 14:41
To: rpd <rpd at>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - IPv4 Soft Landing-bis

On 27 August 2016 at 12:42, Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at<mailto:nishal at>> wrote:
On 26 Aug 2016, at 8:17, Mark Tinka wrote:
> On 26/Aug/16 06:30, Jackson Muthili wrote:
>> A justified need now means any huge company can deplete all IPv4
>> reserve. It is a very unfair policy at this moment in time when that
>> reserve is still needed by many others. Is this what you really want
>> for us?
> Maybe the questions we should all be asking are:
>     1. What is a huge company?
>     2. What is a small company?
>     3. What is a rich company?
>     4. What is a poor company?

discrimination of $company_type by any means, is still discrimination.
i don’t know about you, but i’ve lived through enough of that ..

Should it be about the company or what they want to do with it? Is a big allocation because you want to connect a lot of users worse than a small allocation connecting a few users? It does not seem fair either.
A company that start in 1 or 2 years time and not designing its network with IPv6 as the default will be irresponsible. He might still add some form of gateway to get to the web sites that was started in the heydays of IPv4 and then never touched again. But what the majority of users use on the internet is either already available on IPv6 or will be in the next year or two.
So I guess a question should be, how much do we want to stretch our reserve of IPv4 space? If we stretch it too much, we will still have left when nobody wants it anymore. If that happens because we denied allocation requests along the way, was that fair to them? If we don't stretch it enough and we run out earlier, we are kind of in the same boat as the rest of the world.


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