[rpd] Policy Proposal Update - IPv4 Soft Landing-bis

Thu Aug 25 13:23:50 UTC 2016

Andrew,

I obviously put too much value on your avowal of the basic principles behind the policy.  I formally acknowledge that you OPPOSE the policy.  You don’t have to restate.

I understand that the basis of your opposition is that large operators should have preference.   This is where we disagree.  If IPv4 is critical and IPv6 will not happen overnight as you said, we must have mechanisms in place for equitable distribution.  This is AFRINIC’s mandate.

With regards to "successes of other people",  you confuse the discussions with your announcement as much as it is a lighthouse deployment.  Nevertheless, I am looking forward to the articles you are writing about it.  We can discuss successes when we have data to reflect on.  Time for me to let the co-chairs do their work.

Omo

> On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:58, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Omo,
> 
> Let me also add this.
> 
> If you wish to use IPv6 rollouts as a means to justify your policy, which I remain opposed to.
> 
> How about, you go and DO an ipv6 rollout on scale, and then use your OWN experiences to justify your policy.  Rather than just talking about it and making baseless justifications using other peoples work?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> Date: Thursday, 25 August 2016 at 3:38 PM
> To: Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>>, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - IPv4 Soft Landing-bis
> 
> Omo,
> 
> I am sorry to say this – but please, do not take the success of one IPv6 rollout and the challenges it involves, performed by someone who OPPOSSES your policy, to justify its existence.
> 
> Let me be VERY clear here – I am opposed to this policy – for every single reason I stated so clearly in Gaborone, I remain opposed to this policy, and if anything, the IPv6 rollout done by Liquid Telecommunications highlights many of the very reasons I AM opposed to this policy.
> 
> Large operators still need space – and it is the large operators that are actively DOING something about rolling out IPv6, and it is these same people who this policy would directly damage through its unjustified limitations that are not grounded in ANY empirical evidence and justification presented so far.
> 
> I remain committed to the repealing of the current limitations of the current policy until someone can empirically justify the numbers and limitations in the current policy with evidence to backup where they came from, and what the motivations behind those specific figures are – beyond just pure hyperbole and speculation.
> 
> But please, once again, do not use my emails and the successes of other people to justify something that those same people are highly opposed to.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> From: Omo Oaiya [mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net <mailto:Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net>]
> Sent: 25 August 2016 13:44
> To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - IPv4 Soft Landing-bis
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> The recent discussions leading from the Liquid Telecoms IPv6 deployment have buttressed the reasoning and approach of this policy especially Andrew's frank e-mails which were very much appreciated.
> 
> I summarise his key points as
> 
> - rolling out v6 on a wide scale isn't all easy sailing and while we must encourage adoption, we need to find ways to surmount challenges and widespread adoption will take some time.
> - that IPv4 is critical, cannot be avoided and necessary to adopt IPv6
> 
> The authors have addressed the issues raised in Gaborone and barring any others, I believe it is time we concluded on this proposal and moved this on for ratification.
> 
> Best wishes
> Omo
> 
> On 3 August 2016 at 20:15, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
>> Hi Dewole,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for sharing. We shall go through and comment.
>> 
>> Noah
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>>> Dear members,
>>> 
>>> This is to inform you that the above named policy proposal has been updated by the authors and the update published accordingly.
>>> 
>>> Details can be found at the following URL:
>>> 
>>> http://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1815-ipv4-soft-landing-bis <http://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1815-ipv4-soft-landing-bis>
>>> 
>>> ID: AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT03
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> PDWG Co-Chairs
>>> 
>>> 
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