[rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

Tue Jun 21 08:43:23 UTC 2016

Hello Mark,

The 50% discount granted institution did not originate via policy so i
don't think linking that particular discount to v6 would be appropriate.
For avoidance of doubt, i am not against creating incentives for v6
deployment through v4 but i don't think this particular suggestion would be
warranted. If we are to create incentives along that line, it should be
applied across board.

Regards

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:

> Ouch Andrew...
>
> One though I had when reading Kris's email,
>
> AFRINIC currently gives a 50% fee reduction to Universities. They could
> probably link that discount to an expectation - that the University
> actually has IPv6, routes it and has contactable services dual-stacked
> with IPv4 address space belonging to the same University - otherwise no
> discount. Even if their country has poor IPv6 connectivity, a tunnel to
> HE could sort that out quite simply.
>
> No reason for local IXP's not to have IPv6 as well and if you are a
> University and there is no exchange point - create one - be a Leader.
>
> AFRINIC also has some sort of IPv6 tunnel broker.
> Maybe Liquid could do the same?
>
> Universities thus whilst not forced to run IPv6 (dual-stack), would find
> it financially prudent to do so. Are they not usually considered amongst
> the Leaders of development in a country?
>
> Like I said, just a thought.
>
> Mark @ Posix - who has been dual-sacked since February 2007, despite
> Telkom SA still not commercially providing me native IPv6 access.
>
> On 21/06/2016 08:45, Andrew Alston wrote:
> > Ok, as another (only slightly tongue in cheek idea) let's increase the
> > fees for v4 by 100 percentage and if someone can concretely demonstrate
> > v6 deployment (beyond just the core and a website, actually to the end
> > users!) they get a 50 percent discount.
> >
> > Yes I know fees are not the domain of the RPD list, but the idea may get
> > people thinking along further tracks, because effectively this properly
> > incentives v6 deployment rather than just forcing people to have space
> > they may never use as is the case in the proposals I have seen up till
> now.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:09 AM +0300, "Kris Seeburn"
> > <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Reply inline
> >
> >> On Jun 21, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
> >> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 18:31 , Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So i just want to push another thought in this pool of ideas going
> >>> around. I wanted us all to think :
> >>>
> >>>   * One i agree that afrinic cannot and should not impose IPv6 as
> >>>     much as it concerns the major LIRs which to me is quite
> >>>     understandable at this stage and am again 50/50 on this. It is
> >>>     like ok giving some v6 resources away which is not being used
> >>>     majorly either since the concentration is still with the v4
> >>>     space. Fair enough, Afrinic in the past had decided to give v6
> >>>     resources for free to help in its growth. So nothing much is
> >>>     happening so far. So am i picking suggestions that we should not
> >>>     give v6 resources away for free?
> >>>       o The other thinking i am having is ok fine perhaps the minimal
> >>>         v6 allocation that comes with the v4 resources is too much
> >>>         anyways - perhaps a very least minimal give away should be
> >>>         /52 or /56 on a general approach for organisations to look at
> >>>         it and perhaps then come back and ask for bigger blocks that
> >>>         can be charged?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please NOOOOOOOOO NOOOO NOOO NOOO NOOO NOOO…
> >>
> >> Please do not encourage this IPv4-thinking with IPv6. Every end site
> >> should get a /48. More if there’s some reason for it which I find
> >> somewhat unimaginable, but my imagination is admittedly limited.
> >>
> >> Stop scarcity-thinking and trying to conserve the wrong things in
> >> IPv6. There are PLENTY of /48s in the first /3. If I’m wrong to the
> >> extent that we finish off even this first /3 in 50 years, then by all
> >> means, I will help you write more restrictive policies for the
> >> remaining 6+ /3s.
> >
> > I am in full agreement with what you say here whether it is still shared
> > by all is a bit of a challenge. However much the v6 allocation being
> > made for free how much is being advertised and used? I’d like to know
> > that for real. The issue i also have is great loads to give away but
> > there is also costs to it right? Fine give away give away for free how
> > long do we sustain it. Afrinic does not have that many members as in
> > ARIN or RIPE either way. So really i wish i could see some real use of
> > v6. Allocating without use at the end user makes it dull for me. Then
> > what is the use. If you followed the threads you would see same
> > happening. Allocation and usage are two stories right now.
> >
> > However, i would still want to hear the miracle coming across soon :)
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>       o On a different scale as far as Academia/Research is concerned
> >>>         perhaps we should take a different approach with them. Since
> >>>         they are kind of key to research we can take it that v4
> >>>         resources and v6 resources should be allocated differently
> >>>         and dual stacking be requested as part of allocation. People
> >>>         do not get me wrong here. This is the very start of teaching
> >>>         and research which may require further in depth thinking and
> >>>         these institutions as much as paying 50% in general terms
> >>>         should be able to nurture the future of v6 as well. I know in
> >>>         general Academia does not want to be touched and compared
> >>>         differently we need to also see the real essence of facts.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I admit I’m not sure I understand what exactly you are attempting to
> >> propose here.
> >
> >
> > What i was trying to say is we could reduce the allocation size for
> > organisation who do not use v6 and still give the wider chunk to
> > Academia and research and push that v6 allocated to academia who get 50%
> > discount anyways should heavily promote v6 as a result. The slashes may
> > need some revisiting but i’d me more tempted to give them a block that
> > they would use than give it to someone who does not want it anyways.
> >
> >>
> >>> Bottomline what is important is also survival of the businesses as
> >>> much as survival of Afrinic as well. Great policies great but i feel
> >>> personally that everything needs to be weighted as well to ensure
> >>> sustained growth in all parts of the organisations in general.
> >>
> >> That sounds great, but can you express it in concrete actions as I’m
> >> unsure how anyone goes about implementing it in policy or in actions
> >> on their own networks.
> >
> > Its not only about policy its also making sure Afrinic can really
> > sustain itself after softlanding as the figures will go up during the
> > softlanding as the other RIRs have experienced but at some point it will
> > just be recurrent revenue that will be straight line for a long time and
> > the need to ensure that revenue comes from the main business the need to
> > reflect properly on those is also important. The community has its views
> > and also to make sure the organisation sustains itself and lives or
> > outlives us.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Kris Seeburn
> > seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>
> >
> >   *
> >
> >         www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/ <
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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