[rpd] Draft inbound policy

Sat Jun 18 00:17:52 UTC 2016

This proposal may just make sense if we can have an inbound policy and if Ripe has an outbound policy that allows such transfers as well as other RIRs.

The challenge may just be having a good transfer policy that takes care of things as well. 

With an inbound policy the extension of life over v4 increases. There is still the challenge of our v4 space in Afrinic region. 

By creating the inbound policy we are definitely opening inbound v4 which is again just fine. We certainly need to also establish the core mechanism of handling the space as far as billing is concerned and the management of the space as well as the conditions attached. 

Should these not be two way policies? 

@Sander : What are the key provisions of the outbound policy in Ripe? or is there a two way policy already in place?

Kris Seeburn
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> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:30 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> Technically, until the policy has a Policy ID Number - its just text on
> the mailing list. No harm.
> Once it has a Policy ID - and thus has its own Identity - then its a
> really policy, with Identity, for discussion.
> 
> Andrew did leave the line "Unique Identifier:" blank.  :-)
> 
> I'm obviously very curious to see what people think.
> 
> 
>> On 17/06/2016 18:03, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote:
>> Thanks for the prompt update +Sander and +Moonesamy. I guess there was
>> no harm in asking by the way.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Andrew Alston
>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Hi Marcus,____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    So sorry if I offended you by following what is also, aside from my
>>    previous emails, clearly published on the PDP process on the AfriNIC
>>    website.  Since you are obviously to busy with your other jobs to
>>    actually read the process, let me post it for you here to make it
>>    easier:____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    6) Policy Development Process____
>> 
>>    Anyone can submit a proposal. */_Policy proposals are submitted to
>>    the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list by the author_/*.
>>    AfriNIC will provide administrative support and assist the author(s)
>>    in drafting the proposal, if requested. AfriNIC shall also provide
>>    relevant facts and statistics if requested during the discussion.____
>> 
>>     ____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    I put the relevant section in bold underlined italics to make it
>>    easier to find.____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    Andrew____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    *From: *"Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com
>>    <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
>>    *Date: *Friday, 17 June 2016 at 6:11 PM
>>    *To: *Evelyn Namara <evelyngeek at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:evelyngeek at gmail.com>>, Andrew Alston
>>    <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>>    <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>>    *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>>    *Subject: *RE: [rpd] Draft inbound policy____
>> 
>>    __ __
>> 
>>    Hi Andrew,
>> 
>>    I wanted to ask you the same question. Are we in the usurpation
>>    process where the Board  and the board members are assuming, by
>>    force, Jobs which are supposed to be carried out by specific staff?
>>    Does it mean that you (Andrew) you have no job to do on the board?
>> 
>>    Please, answer these questions (EN and mine).
>> 
>> 
>>    Marcus____
>> 
>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>    Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:49:24 +0300
>>    From: evelyngeek at gmail.com <mailto:evelyngeek at gmail.com>
>>    To: Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
>>    <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>    CC: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>>    Subject: Re: [rpd] Draft inbound policy____
>> 
>>    Hi Andrew,____
>> 
>>    Isn't it the job of the PDP co-chairs to post policy proposal
>>    drafts?  Or has it now become a function of board members as well to
>>    do so even if they are part of the community?____
>> 
>>    EN.____
>> 
>>    Hi All,
>> 
>>    The following has been submitted to policy-submission and I am also
>>    posting it here for discussion in the mean time.
>> 
>>    Thanks
>> 
>>    Andrew
>> 
>>    Draft Policy Name: Inbound Transfer Policy
>>    Unique Identifier:
>>    Status: Under Discussion
>>    Submission Date: 17 June 2016
>>    Amends: N/A
>> 
>>    Author(s):
>>    a. Andrew Alston (andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com
>>    <mailto:andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com>)
>>    b. Christopher Mwangi (Christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com
>>    <mailto:Christopher.mwangi at liquidtelecom.com>)
>> 
>> 
>>    1. Introduction:
>>    The AfriNIC Service Region has the lowest amount of IPv4 space of
>>    any of the RIR defined regions.  As such, when AfriNIC depletes its
>>    current space, there will still be a need for further IPv4 addresses
>>    on the continent. In addition to this, there may be circumstances
>>    where companies wish to use specific v6 resources and ASN’s
>>    unavailable on the continent.
>> 
>>    While the community has voiced concerns that enacting a transfer
>>    policy will result in the flow of resources off the continent, this
>>    policy addresses that by purely catering for inbound transfers,
>>    without allowing or affecting transfers flowing out of the continent
>>    to other RIR service regions.
>> 
>>    2. Resources covered under this policy
>>    This policy covers the inbound transfer of all IP resources,
>>    including ASN’s, both 16bit and 32bit, IPv4 space and IPv6 space
>> 
>>    3. Details of inbound transfer requirements
>>    AfriNIC shall accept all inbound transfers of all resources
>>    explicitly referred to in section 2
>>    For transfers into the region, the recipient of IP space (v4 or v6)
>>    must provide a plan to AfriNIC for the use of at least 50% of the
>>    transferred resource within the next 5 years.
>>    Once received, the space shall form part of the recipient’s normal
>>    allocations for the purpose of evaluating the size of the recipient
>>    from an AfriNIC membership perspective.
>>    Should a recipient of transferred space apply for further resources
>>    from AfriNIC directly, all space received via transfers shall be
>>    included in any evaluation done for further resource allocation by
>>    AfriNIC.
>> 
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