<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>This proposal may just make sense if we can have an inbound policy and if Ripe has an outbound policy that allows such transfers as well as other RIRs.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The challenge may just be having a good transfer policy that takes care of things as well. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">With an inbound policy the extension of life over v4 increases. There is still the challenge of our v4 space in Afrinic region. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">By creating the inbound policy we are definitely opening inbound v4 which is again just fine. We certainly need to also establish the core mechanism of handling the space as far as billing is concerned and the management of the space as well as the conditions attached. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Should these not be two way policies? </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">@Sander : What are the key provisions of the outbound policy in Ripe? or is there a two way policy already in place?<br><br><i style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Kris Seeburn</i><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Linkedin:mu.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn</span></div></div><div><br>On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:30 PM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Technically, until the policy has a Policy ID Number - its just text on</span><br><span>the mailing list. No harm.</span><br><span>Once it has a Policy ID - and thus has its own Identity - then its a</span><br><span>really policy, with Identity, for discussion.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Andrew did leave the line "Unique Identifier:" blank. :-)</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm obviously very curious to see what people think.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 17/06/2016 18:03, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks for the prompt update +Sander and +Moonesamy. I guess there was</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>no harm in asking by the way.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Andrew Alston</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Hi Marcus,____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> So sorry if I offended you by following what is also, aside from my</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> previous emails, clearly published on the PDP process on the AfriNIC</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> website. Since you are obviously to busy with your other jobs to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> actually read the process, let me post it for you here to make it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> easier:____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 6) Policy Development Process____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Anyone can submit a proposal. */_Policy proposals are submitted to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the Resource Policy Discussion mailing list by the author_/*.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> AfriNIC will provide administrative support and assist the author(s)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> in drafting the proposal, if requested. AfriNIC shall also provide</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> relevant facts and statistics if requested during the discussion.____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> ____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I put the relevant section in bold underlined italics to make it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> easier to find.____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Andrew____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *From: *"Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com">madomey@hotmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com">mailto:madomey@hotmail.com</a>>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *Date: *Friday, 17 June 2016 at 6:11 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *To: *Evelyn Namara <<a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com">evelyngeek@gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com">mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com</a>>>, Andrew Alston</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *Cc: *rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">mailto:rpd@afrinic.net</a>>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> *Subject: *RE: [rpd] Draft inbound policy____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Hi Andrew,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I wanted to ask you the same question. Are we in the usurpation</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> process where the Board and the board members are assuming, by</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> force, Jobs which are supposed to be carried out by specific staff?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Does it mean that you (Andrew) you have no job to do on the board?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Please, answer these questions (EN and mine).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Marcus____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> ------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:49:24 +0300</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> From: <a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com">evelyngeek@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com">mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> To: <a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> CC: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">mailto:rpd@afrinic.net</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Subject: Re: [rpd] Draft inbound policy____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Hi Andrew,____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Isn't it the job of the PDP co-chairs to post policy proposal</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> drafts? Or has it now become a function of board members as well to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> do so even if they are part of the community?____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> EN.____</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Hi All,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The following has been submitted to policy-submission and I am also</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> posting it here for discussion in the mean time.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Thanks</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Andrew</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Draft Policy Name: Inbound Transfer Policy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Unique Identifier:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Status: Under Discussion</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Submission Date: 17 June 2016</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Amends: N/A</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Author(s):</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> a. Andrew Alston (<a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> b. Christopher Mwangi (<a href="mailto:Christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com">Christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:Christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:Christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com</a>>)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. Introduction:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The AfriNIC Service Region has the lowest amount of IPv4 space of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> any of the RIR defined regions. As such, when AfriNIC depletes its</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> current space, there will still be a need for further IPv4 addresses</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> on the continent. In addition to this, there may be circumstances</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> where companies wish to use specific v6 resources and ASN’s</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> unavailable on the continent.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> While the community has voiced concerns that enacting a transfer</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> policy will result in the flow of resources off the continent, this</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> policy addresses that by purely catering for inbound transfers,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> without allowing or affecting transfers flowing out of the continent</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> to other RIR service regions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 2. Resources covered under this policy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> This policy covers the inbound transfer of all IP resources,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> including ASN’s, both 16bit and 32bit, IPv4 space and IPv6 space</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> 3. Details of inbound transfer requirements</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> AfriNIC shall accept all inbound transfers of all resources</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> explicitly referred to in section 2</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> For transfers into the region, the recipient of IP space (v4 or v6)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> must provide a plan to AfriNIC for the use of at least 50% of the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> transferred resource within the next 5 years.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Once received, the space shall form part of the recipient’s normal</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> allocations for the purpose of evaluating the size of the recipient</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> from an AfriNIC membership perspective.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Should a recipient of transferred space apply for further resources</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> from AfriNIC directly, all space received via transfers shall be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> included in any evaluation done for further resource allocation by</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> AfriNIC.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> _______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> RPD mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">mailto:RPD@afrinic.net</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd____">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd____</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> _______________________________________________ RPD mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">mailto:RPD@afrinic.net</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd____">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd____</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> _______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> RPD mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a> <<a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">mailto:RPD@afrinic.net</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>RPD mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa</span><br><span><a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496</span><br><span>For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a href="https://ftth.posix.co.za">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>RPD mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>