[rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

Thu Jun 16 19:09:02 UTC 2016

On 16 Jun 2016, at 7:59 pm, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

There’s simply no excuse today for building out an IPv4-only network.

Equally no sane reason technical or business for building a purely v6 network in the Afrinic region.

We need to take both macro and micro considerations.  In most other regions the argument for v6 is very valid.

If v4 is so "last century" how come some "insane" people have created a lucrative business out of it ??

This resource needs to stay in the region and be protected as we plan our V6 future.

Owen

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
The IPv4 may not rot, but the customers at the market will still be going hungry because we’re trying to be fair to the farmers – and people will still starve.

Andrew

From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
Date: Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 10:30 AM
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>

Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

 :-) I like the introduction of analogys to the thread.

Difference here is that the v4 will not rot and that those who have and want more should be encouraged to only get V6 if they want additional resources.

I think this would offer a win-win outcome for all those in the region.

Regards

On 6/16/16, 10:20 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:

Let me put this another way.

Lets say hypothetically we have 3 farmers, and they all have vegetables to deliver to 3 different markets.  The people at the markets are hungry and waiting for the vegetables.

There is fuel, and hypothetically, it could get all 3 farmers trucks to the market, but only one trip each.

Farmer 1 has a truck – except it has no tyres
Farmer 2 has a truck  - except its battery is dead
Farmer 3 has a working truck.

It’s going to take a month before Farmer 1 and Farmer 2 have their trucks repaired, and the vegetables only last a week before they go bad.

Do we, a.) Say that in the interest of fairness to the farmers, we let Farmer 3 make 1 trip, and then for the next 3 weeks, Farmer 1, 2 and 3 have all their vegetables go bad while the people at the markets all starve or b.) Do we say, we have one working truck, that can deliver to the markets, he is in a position to feed the people at that market, so, let him have the fuel he needs to do that, so at least some people get fed, even if Farmer 1 and 2 are disadvantaged?

In my view, it’s a clear cut thing, Farmer 1 gets the fuel, because not giving it to him hurts the people far more than giving it to him and letting him deliver every vegetable he can.

Let those who can use it have it, so long as its used for the advantage of the African community – do not artificially constrain things and hurt everyone just to try and be “fair”

Andrew

From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
Date: Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 8:36 AM
To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
Cc: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016

On 16 Jun 2016 03:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
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>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:33 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
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>> On 15 Jun 2016 22:03, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
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>> > Instead, the best thing is for all of us to recognize that IPv4 has become unsustainable and stop depending on its continued availability.
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>> We can similarly recognise that Crude Oil fossils and their byproducts Diesel and Petrol [IPv4] are unsustainable a d stop depending on their continued availability.
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>> We should all go for Solar Energy [IPv6] after all the Sun is so abundant in supply and everyone will have unlimited energy through solar.
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> Agreed… I have 31 panels on my roof generating approximately 108% of my total electrical needs and feeding the excess back to the power utility in my area. (I use about 1.2kw average consumption and my solar system generates about 6.5kW peak output about 5-6 hours per day during summer).
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> How about you?
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Needless to say, am sure you got my point.  :-)

> Owen
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Noah
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