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[rpd] New Proposal - "Soft Landing
TIDJANI Mahamat Adoum
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Tue Mar 1 07:24:13 UTC 2016
Dans ce genre d'initiative, on ne peut qu'exprimer d'avance notre
satisfaction. Ce ci pour dire, j'adhère également à cette proposition.
Tidjani MAHAMAT ADOUM
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2016-02-29 14:44 GMT+01:00 namalka omar <namalka_omar at yahoo.fr>:
> Hi
> I fully support this policy
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> Le Lundi 29 février 2016 13h00, "rpd-request at afrinic.net" <
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> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 10:17:23 +0100
> From: Mathias HOUNGBO <mathias at houngbo.net>
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Proposal Update (was: Re: New Proposal - "Soft
> Landing - BIS (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02)"
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> Le 21/02/2016 19:38, Seun Ojedeji a ?crit :
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> > Dear members,
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> > This is to inform that an update has been published for this proposal.
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> > Details can be found at the following URL:
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> http://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/1625-soft-landing-bis-draft-02-
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> > ID: AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02
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> > Regards
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> Bonjour ? tous
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> Je trouve que cette proposition vient ? point nomm?.
> mais moi j'ai une question; au vu des statistiques pourquoi
> n'avoir pas propos? la limite ? un /16 au lieu d'un /15 au point 3.5.1 ?
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> Merci
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> Je soutiens cette proposition en ce qu'elle fait un clin d'?il sur les
> ccTLD. Moi en tant que responsable du ccTLD ivoirien, d?clarer qu'un TLD
> soit une ressource critique me r?jouit et dans le m?me temps je souhaite
> qu'une plage leur soit r?serv?e ? l'instar des IXP.
> AFRINIC sait que je viens de faire une demande dans ce sens, je suis dans
> l'attente...
> Et puis, cette proposition fait la part m?diane et elle consolide nos
> acquis.
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> Patrick.
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> 1. Re: Proposal Update (was: Re: New Proposal - "Soft Landing -
> BIS (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02)" (Nishal Goburdhan)
> 2. Re: Proposal Update (was: Re: New Proposal - "Soft Landing -
> BIS (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02)" (Nishal Goburdhan)
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:40:36 +0200
> From: "Nishal Goburdhan" <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
> To: "AfriNIC List" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Proposal Update (was: Re: New Proposal - "Soft
> Landing - BIS (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02)"
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> On 23 Feb 2016, at 15:09, ALAIN AINA wrote:
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> > Hello All,
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> hi,
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> > Thank you all for your interest in our policy proposal. Some of the
> > impressions being created about what it sets out to achieve are
> > incorrect. The IPv4 softlanding-bis policy proposal does not intend
> > to extend IPv4 lifetime at AFRINIC.
>
> s/lifetime/availability.
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> (and that?s not necessarily bad, btw!)
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>
> > The policy proposal stays in the spirit of the global Global Policy
> > for the Allocation of the remaining IPv4 address pool:
> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/135-afpub-2009-v4-001
> > (section 2 and 3) and the current IPv4 soft landing policy
> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/697-ipv4-soft-landing-polic
> > y
> > (section 3).
> >
> > The proposal makes sure the distribution of the final /8 [102/8] is
> > fair enough based on the current consumption rate, assures
> > availability of IPv4 to new comers, to Critical Internet
> > Infrastructure as well as to the current players as we go through the
> > transition to IPv6.
> >
> > To achieve this, it says :
> > - during phase 1, move the maximum from /10 to /15.
> >
> > http://afrinic.net/en/services/rs/membership-fees shows the member
> > categories and /15 is the median which covers majority of AFRINIC
> > membership as shown at
> > http://www.afrinic.net/en/services/statistics/membership [members by
> > Category]
>
> there was a lot of discussion around this at the time of the original
> policy. many large ISPs felt that a /15 would severely impact them, and
> (please correct me douglas) that?s why during phase1, this was a large
> number (/10).
>
> a median is fine, but, it?s still a median. how do you propose afrinic
> deal with a large LIR request (specifically during phase1)
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> > - during phase 2, reserve a block for new comers and for Critical
> > Internet Infrastructures(new and current). Make sure CIRs get IPv4
> > they need for their operations during the exhaustion and the
> > transition.
> >
> > CIRs have been expanded to include TLDs during exhaustion phase 2.
> > gTLDs are coming and ccTLDs being developed..
> >
> > Definition of CIR in other regions is available at
> > :
> https://www.nro.net/rir-comparative-policy-overview/rir-comparative-policy-overview-2015-04#2-4-2
>
> to be clear - because you did not state it - are you suggesting that we
> accept this definition for _this_ region as well? and which definition?
> it?s good to have reference, but, as has been pointed out before,
> what works elsewhere is *NOT* the same as what should needlessly be done
> here. i, for one, would not support .MYSEXYNEWTLD as a critical
> resource, vs, say an african ccTLD. others might feel otherwise.
>
> since there are unlikely to be more RIRs created, and we *should* be
> able to assume that the IANA can take care of itself ;-) what amounts
> to a CIR please?
>
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> > Our initial thinking was that IXPs may benefit from the CIRs block
> > during the phase 2 as the current reserve may not last and cover their
> > needs at that time. We have no objection about removing IXPs from
> > CIRs.
>
> you?re 100% correct in that the current reserve (when the hostmasters
> get around to implementing it) might not last. we thumbsucked a number
> that we thought that the community would be willing to support, which
> worked to roughly 2x new IXPs per economy (well, less actually). more
> space would be nice.
> i don?t recall reading anyone asking for an exclusion; i asked
> specifically how you saw the IXP?s *need* for non-network
> announcement, and *want* for allocations from a contiguous block, to
> easily identify accidental route leakage, to be addressed within this
> policy. that remains unanswered.
>
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> > IPv6 deployment is slow. AFRNIC has the lowest rate of members with
> > v4/v6[1]. During exhaustion, one must have IPv6 (from AFRINIC or
> > upstreams ) when requesting IPv4.
>
> i am still opposed to this part. as it seems are others. i am happy
> with the request-v4-once idea once you hit exhaustion phase X. but
> i?m not happy about forcing an ipv6 allocation down someone?s
> throat; that hardly sounds bottom-up to me?
>
>
> > Deployment may not be enforceable but it puts IPv6 transition forward
> > as the clear agenda at this time.
>
> ok, so then to save time, why doesn?t afrinic simply allocate the
> minimum the appropriate minimum IPv6 allocation to existing LIRs and EUs
> *now*; ie. *every* resource member in good standing, that doesn?t
> already have an IPv6 allocation, automatically gets the minimum
> allocation per IPv6 allocation policy ? think of how many more cute
> infographics can be made showing IPv6 rollout^Wallocations^Wgrowth^W^W
> in africa !!! :-)
>
> incidentally, quoting from your earlier paragraph:
> ?The policy proposal stays in the spirit of ? soft landing (section
> 3)?
>
> and then reading those references:
> 135-afpub-2009-v4-001:
> ?This policy describes the process for the allocation of the remaining
> IPv4 space from IANA to the RIRs?
>
> and:
> 697-ipv4-soft-landing-policy section 3:
> ?This policy (IPv4 Soft Landing), applies to the management of address
> space that will be available to AfriNIC after the current IPv4 pool is
> depleted.?
> ? in fact, the words IPv6 do not appear in soft landing, section 3,
> *at all*.
>
> so, i?d strongly suggest to the authors to decouple ?IPv4 management
> under soft landing? (which i think is important) from, ?enforced
> ipv6 allocations?
>
> best,
> ?n.
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:45:07 +0200
> From: "Nishal Goburdhan" <nishal at controlfreak.co.za>
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Proposal Update (was: Re: New Proposal - "Soft
> Landing - BIS (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-02)"
> Message-ID: <80C892BB-DD96-4BC9-A424-EABC57A81155 at controlfreak.co.za>
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> On 24 Feb 2016, at 19:16, Joshua Atah wrote:
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> > I strongly support this proposal. It is perhaps our only hope of
> > avoiding a
> > crisis in a short while from now.
>
> no it isn?t. you can learn to use IPv6 and/or nat444 or SIIT, or ?
>
> there are many good elements to the policy, and, perhaps, some bad ones.
> it?s a lot more constructive to discuss the merits and shortcomings,
> than to attempt to inflict policy through fear-mongering?
>
> ?n.
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