[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

[Andrew Alston]

Noah,

I propose that until someone comes up with a workable and practical alternative that we have to keep doing business, if that means buying in more space which we have to pass the cost of onto the customers, the so be it.

Do I wanna be buying in space? Of course not, that costs money.  Do I acknowledge that I may not have a choice? Yes because that's what businesses do, they analyze risk and plan for the if the risk gets realized and make sure that if it does they can keep operating.

In business terms, that means a plan has to exist for when we need v4 and cannot get it from our RIR, it does not mean hiding our heads in the sand.

So again, I ask you, what is the solution when we run out and still need v4 outside of a transfer policy. Instead of shooting holes in the proposed bandaid (which is what a transfer policy is) how about proposing alternative concrete solutions that are grounded in the reality that we have to keep our customers connected to the net and talking to the net.

Andrew

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 8:20 AM -0800, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:


On 7 Feb 2016 19:04, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
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> Noah,
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> WHY do intra-RIR transfers work in Europe and the US so much better than what will work in Africa?
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> Because they have TONS of space, the VAST majority of the worlds space sits in those regions, therefore LOGIC dictates that the majority of space for sale will be IN THOSE REGIONS.
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> In Africa, where we have precious little space, there is no space to sell, hence, you have to be able to buy from where the space sits, that's in ARIN and RIPE regions.
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> This is simple mathematical logic
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Your logic and maths aside...

We have limited resources....

We have nothing to sell...

And you propose that we go out there and buy or lease?

I see this working for bigger players with $$$ and not startups who ought to manage operational cost during inception... have you considered [1]

> Andrew
>

Noah

[1] AfriNIC financials mosts suffer due to non payment or late payment from some of its members and some debts have had to be written off...
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