[rpd] Some thoughts, and some actions required

[Andrew Alston]

Noah, see comments in line:


> You mean those in Europe buy it from Africa........

No, I do NOT mean that, and if you read my statement I explicitly stated what I meant.  I meant that those in Africa will need space and will need to acquire it.

> That is Europe where the internet is more developed than our continent for obvious reasons....

That is correct, I also point out however that Europe has FAR higher internet penetration rates and FAR less people left not connected to the Internet, and hence Africa’s need for space is actually HIGHER than that which currently exists in Europe, and hence our need to be able to acquire space from external sources once AfriNIC runs out is also higher.

> Why would African LIR or entities want to get access to IP from Europe when their own coffer is still readily available at least for now....

Noah, I have repeatedly stated, both on this list and in Pointe Noir that I would be happy with a transfer policy that begins at the start of the soft landing phase, or even soft landing phase 2.  At this point there simply will not be space left in the AfriNIC coffers.  I also stated quite explicitly in statistics that I have clearly demonstrated that AfriNIC will be in soft landing between the Gaborone meeting and the following meeting, and as such if we want a transfer policy passed that does activate at the time soft landing activates, to protect from the problem that ISP’s will not be able to get space, it would have to be done in Gaborone.  This is simple logic.

> Africans will by that time still have space and dont forget IPv6 is also something folks have been looking forward too....Which is why everyone is pushing for compliance

Noah, have you not looked at a single statistic I have sent before making this statement?  AfriNIC issued over 12 million addresses in the last 3 months, and hit a depletion rate when expounded of in excess of 3 /8s a year.  A rate that (and I need to double check this) is a higher allocation rate than has ever been hit by even RIPE.  We have less than addresses in the pool before soft landing phase than we allocated in November, December and January combined.  At current allocation rates we will be in soft landing phase 1 by July, soft landing phase 2 no more than 3 or 4 months later, and potentially out of space ENTIRELY by March next year, and at best guess.  (Though phase 2 soft landing will slow things down rather dramatically I suspect, however the way phase 1 is written, phase 1 I do not expect to have a marked effect on slowing down allocation rates).

> In anycase, things in this continent are done sponteniously, no need to rush into such proposals when there are alternatives....[1]

Noah,  please explain what these alternatives are that are going to meet the following criteria

A.) Those that require IPv4 space will still be able to get it
B.) Those that require space beyond a /22 will also still be able to source it from somewhere so that they can continue to expand
C.) That the acquisition of such space will not be in violation of the AfriNIC policies and will allow for sane registration of the acquired space.

What are the alternatives outside of a transfer policy, since soft landing policy slows allocation rates, it does NOT necessarily ensure point (A) it does NOT address point (B) and it CERTAINLY does not address that last point either.

Andrew

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