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[rpd] Re: [members-discuss] Re: Integrity Issues - publish the Nov'14 transcript ?
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Tue Jul 14 09:21:51 UTC 2015
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw>
wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2015 at 10:19, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Dr Nyirenda, Alan Barrett already took side with his violent defending
> > of Andrew Alston. If the proof you seek is in those transcripts and it
> > is Alan to cause them to be published then you may not get anything
> > from Alan Barrett because he already rebuffed said allegations against
> > Alston.
> > ...
>
> Mmmm ... I have confidence that Alan and Sunday will, hopefully, do the
> right thing.
>
> By entering this debate it does not mean that I am for or against Andrew,
> not at all, I just
> would like the Board to do the right thing and open it up so that the
> community can see that
> they have done the right thing. It is not open enough right now, not
> transparent enough and
> has inadequate accountability, but the information is there to clear this
> up ... there is a
> transcript that can clear all this up ... release it so that we can move
> forward.
>
FWIW i like to add my absolute +1 to what Paulos has said above.
Regards
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulos
> ======================
> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> http://www.registrar.mw
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > In order to get this Andrew/Board Integrity issue to a close it
> appears that Board
> > > "minutes" of the November 2014 Board meeting may not be enough based
> on the current
> > > community outcry that is obvious on these mailing lists.
> > >
> > > Having attended the Nov'14 Board meeting, I am aware that there is a
> transcript on that
> > > Board meeting, and it is from that transcript that the "minutes" are
> currently being
> > > crafted, hopefully, to be "provided" to the community soon, excerpts
> of which were aired
> > > in Tunis, they came from that transcript.
> > >
> > > One way to close this issue is to publish the entire transcript of the
> Nov'14 Board
> > > meeting for everyone in the community to see, read or hear for
> themselves. It will close
> > > the issue of who said what or who admitted what.
> > >
> > > I know for sure that someone will scream "NDA" but we have gone past
> that now and
> > > entered an era for more transparency and accountability in AFRINIC for
> which some of us
> > > have been pushing hard at Board level, with good results.
> > >
> > > I am sure Alan Barrett or AFRINIC staff can easily confirm that such a
> transcript does
> > > exist.
> >
> > Dr Nyirenda, Alan Barrett already took side with his violent defending
> > of Andrew Alston. If the proof you seek is in those transcripts and it
> > is Alan to cause them to be published then you may not get anything
> > from Alan Barrett because he already rebuffed said allegations against
> > Alston.
> >
> > > Just publish the transcript for everyone to see, read or hear. By now
> there is
> > > nothing in that transcript that should cause anyone to scream "NDA".
> It will become
> > > public anyway if people take each other to court!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Paulos
> > > ======================
> > > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> > > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> > > http://www.registrar.mw
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13 Jul 2015 at 18:21, Boubakar Barry <Boubakar.Barry at wacren.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Sunday, Board Members, Colleagues,
> > >>
> > >> Can we find a way to get this on a close?
> > >>
> > >> To be honest, I don't think this is rocket science!
> > >>
> > >> Why not:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Publish the November 2014 minutes many of us are waiting for;
> > >>
> > >> 2. Publish the minutes of the Board meeting that dealt with Mr.
> Andrew Alston's
> > > Integrity Issue;
> > >>
> > >> 3. Make sure that these minutes are genuine with bold evidence that
> it's so, so that
> > > the fear of the
> > >> former Chair that those minutes may have been edited can be ruled out.
> > >>
> > >> Very simple way forward for me. And the earlier, the better.
> > >>
> > >> And I wish to put on record that if the Board is not able to resolve
> this simple
> > > matter in a
> > >> reasonable time frame, I will file a motion for the entire Board to
> resign, as I
> > > suggested in Tunis.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> B.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Badru Ntege <
> badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> > >> Alan
> > >>
> > >> > On 13 Jul 2015, at 19:37, Alan Barrett <
> alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Boubakar Barry wrote:
> > >> >> Alan,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This could have resolved long time ago, one way or another, if
> Board had
> > >> >> shared minutes of the meeting in question as requested by
> members of the
> > >> >> community I don't know how many times now (countless!).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Why make simple things complicated, wasting the time of all of
> us?
> > >> >
> > >> > The Board agreed to share the minutes when they are ready. The
> minutes
> > >> > are not ready.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't see how minutes of a meeting will affect the issue under
> > >> > discussio
> > >>
> > >> I think the issue under discussion is that during a board meeting
> a board member
> > > made a
> > >> statement that could put his integrity to properly perform the
> role in question.
> > >>
> > >> One or two board members thought that this issue was of
> importance since a number of
> > >> similar issues were being discussed that morning with all sorts
> of claims and
> > > accusations
> > >> being exchanged.
> > >>
> > >> A number of decisions were made that day. Accusations hurled also
> ended up in some
> > >> external forum which caused concern for the organisation.
> > >>
> > >> All this happened before you took the role of CEO.
> > >>
> > >> These were important meetings which the community is asking to
> get more details on.
> > >>
> > >> In Tunis the board decided to edit these meetings and offer a
> sanitised version
> > > which was
> > >> not reflective of the actual facts.
> > >>
> > >> In Tunis community asked board to handle the issue.
> > >>
> > >> However when board reported back it was made to look like an
> external party made an
> > >> allegation against the board member in question.
> > >>
> > >> When the true fact was that the board member in question under
> his own free will
> > > and of
> > >> sound mind made the statements. No one coerced the submission
> from him he was asked
> > >> a question and he answered.
> > >>
> > >> My involvement in this thread started by only asking to
> understand the difference
> > > between
> > >> an admission and an allegation. Two very different issues
> > >>
> > >> And I think you can follow the rest of the threads.
> > >>
> > >> I also responded to the email in the morning because my name was
> linked to the
> > > allegation.
> > >>
> > >> I do hope this makes it clearer.
> > >>
> > >> I have no axe to grind and no other agenda. Nor did I start this
> thread which
> > > bothers me that
> > >> you have chosen to single me out from the many people who have
> commented on this
> > >> thread.
> > >>
> > >> I'm even waiting for my court papers with anxiety
> > >>
> > >> But I think the community should be given all the facts. They are
> mature enough to
> > > read
> > >> between the lines.
> > >>
> > >> And as I said earlier the organisation is bigger and stronger
> than any one
> > > individual it will
> > >> survive this too and many more in the future.
> > >>
> > >> Let's not break our basic principles it's a bottom up process
> ultimately the
> > > community is
> > >> more important and it is asking for information
> > >>
> > >> Sorry for the length but i thought I needed to draw a better
> picture I do hope it
> > > is clearer.
> > >>
> > >> Regards.
> > >>
> > >> Badru
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > --apb (Alan Barrett)
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> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/members-discuss
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
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