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[rpd] Re: [members-discuss] Re: Integrity Issues - publish the Nov'14 transcript ?
Dr Paulos Nyirenda
paulos at sdnp.org.mw
Tue Jul 14 09:13:50 UTC 2015
On 14 Jul 2015 at 10:19, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> Dr Nyirenda, Alan Barrett already took side with his violent defending
> of Andrew Alston. If the proof you seek is in those transcripts and it
> is Alan to cause them to be published then you may not get anything
> from Alan Barrett because he already rebuffed said allegations against
> Alston.
> ...
Mmmm ... I have confidence that Alan and Sunday will, hopefully, do the right thing.
By entering this debate it does not mean that I am for or against Andrew, not at all, I just
would like the Board to do the right thing and open it up so that the community can see that
they have done the right thing. It is not open enough right now, not transparent enough and
has inadequate accountability, but the information is there to clear this up ... there is a
transcript that can clear all this up ... release it so that we can move forward.
Regards,
Paulos
======================
Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
http://www.registrar.mw
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:41 AM, Dr Paulos Nyirenda <paulos at sdnp.org.mw> wrote:
> >
> > In order to get this Andrew/Board Integrity issue to a close it appears that Board
> > "minutes" of the November 2014 Board meeting may not be enough based on the current
> > community outcry that is obvious on these mailing lists.
> >
> > Having attended the Nov'14 Board meeting, I am aware that there is a transcript on that
> > Board meeting, and it is from that transcript that the "minutes" are currently being
> > crafted, hopefully, to be "provided" to the community soon, excerpts of which were aired
> > in Tunis, they came from that transcript.
> >
> > One way to close this issue is to publish the entire transcript of the Nov'14 Board
> > meeting for everyone in the community to see, read or hear for themselves. It will close
> > the issue of who said what or who admitted what.
> >
> > I know for sure that someone will scream "NDA" but we have gone past that now and
> > entered an era for more transparency and accountability in AFRINIC for which some of us
> > have been pushing hard at Board level, with good results.
> >
> > I am sure Alan Barrett or AFRINIC staff can easily confirm that such a transcript does
> > exist.
>
> Dr Nyirenda, Alan Barrett already took side with his violent defending
> of Andrew Alston. If the proof you seek is in those transcripts and it
> is Alan to cause them to be published then you may not get anything
> from Alan Barrett because he already rebuffed said allegations against
> Alston.
>
> > Just publish the transcript for everyone to see, read or hear. By now there is
> > nothing in that transcript that should cause anyone to scream "NDA". It will become
> > public anyway if people take each other to court!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Paulos
> > ======================
> > Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
> > NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
> > http://www.registrar.mw
> >
> >
> > On 13 Jul 2015 at 18:21, Boubakar Barry <Boubakar.Barry at wacren.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Sunday, Board Members, Colleagues,
> >>
> >> Can we find a way to get this on a close?
> >>
> >> To be honest, I don't think this is rocket science!
> >>
> >> Why not:
> >>
> >> 1. Publish the November 2014 minutes many of us are waiting for;
> >>
> >> 2. Publish the minutes of the Board meeting that dealt with Mr. Andrew Alston's
> > Integrity Issue;
> >>
> >> 3. Make sure that these minutes are genuine with bold evidence that it's so, so that
> > the fear of the
> >> former Chair that those minutes may have been edited can be ruled out.
> >>
> >> Very simple way forward for me. And the earlier, the better.
> >>
> >> And I wish to put on record that if the Board is not able to resolve this simple
> > matter in a
> >> reasonable time frame, I will file a motion for the entire Board to resign, as I
> > suggested in Tunis.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> B.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> > On 13 Jul 2015, at 19:37, Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Boubakar Barry wrote:
> >> >> Alan,
> >> >>
> >> >> This could have resolved long time ago, one way or another, if Board had
> >> >> shared minutes of the meeting in question as requested by members of the
> >> >> community I don't know how many times now (countless!).
> >> >>
> >> >> Why make simple things complicated, wasting the time of all of us?
> >> >
> >> > The Board agreed to share the minutes when they are ready. The minutes
> >> > are not ready.
> >> >
> >> > I don't see how minutes of a meeting will affect the issue under
> >> > discussio
> >>
> >> I think the issue under discussion is that during a board meeting a board member
> > made a
> >> statement that could put his integrity to properly perform the role in question.
> >>
> >> One or two board members thought that this issue was of importance since a number of
> >> similar issues were being discussed that morning with all sorts of claims and
> > accusations
> >> being exchanged.
> >>
> >> A number of decisions were made that day. Accusations hurled also ended up in some
> >> external forum which caused concern for the organisation.
> >>
> >> All this happened before you took the role of CEO.
> >>
> >> These were important meetings which the community is asking to get more details on.
> >>
> >> In Tunis the board decided to edit these meetings and offer a sanitised version
> > which was
> >> not reflective of the actual facts.
> >>
> >> In Tunis community asked board to handle the issue.
> >>
> >> However when board reported back it was made to look like an external party made an
> >> allegation against the board member in question.
> >>
> >> When the true fact was that the board member in question under his own free will
> > and of
> >> sound mind made the statements. No one coerced the submission from him he was asked
> >> a question and he answered.
> >>
> >> My involvement in this thread started by only asking to understand the difference
> > between
> >> an admission and an allegation. Two very different issues
> >>
> >> And I think you can follow the rest of the threads.
> >>
> >> I also responded to the email in the morning because my name was linked to the
> > allegation.
> >>
> >> I do hope this makes it clearer.
> >>
> >> I have no axe to grind and no other agenda. Nor did I start this thread which
> > bothers me that
> >> you have chosen to single me out from the many people who have commented on this
> >> thread.
> >>
> >> I'm even waiting for my court papers with anxiety
> >>
> >> But I think the community should be given all the facts. They are mature enough to
> > read
> >> between the lines.
> >>
> >> And as I said earlier the organisation is bigger and stronger than any one
> > individual it will
> >> survive this too and many more in the future.
> >>
> >> Let's not break our basic principles it's a bottom up process ultimately the
> > community is
> >> more important and it is asking for information
> >>
> >> Sorry for the length but i thought I needed to draw a better picture I do hope it
> > is clearer.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> Badru
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > --apb (Alan Barrett)
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