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Election process (was re: [rpd] AFRINIC Board Elections - 2014: Call for Nominations)
Nii Narku Quaynor
quaynor at ghana.com
Sat May 10 17:14:20 UTC 2014
Very good discussion and outcome though I am a little confused about decision procedure
What's the correct governance procedure on such? Is it the chair of nomcom that decides? Nomcom ? Election committee? or board decision
And, it would need to be well described and communicated
Best
Nii
> On May 10, 2014, at 16:49, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 10 May 2014 16:00, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > > Will that be possible without any complication?
> >
> > I believe that this is possible.
> >
> > So from this year, the three trustees will "unlock" the e-voting results
> > at approximately the same time as the paper ballots are counted.
> >
> Thank you Mr chair!
>
> This is good progress, other recommendations for future elections (after this year) may then be put forward during the AGM.
>
> Best regards
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > 1. www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 12:42 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > > > Hello Mark,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > First considering that i wrote to chair (you) and nomcom, i
> > > assume
> > > > this response is on behalf of nomcom (do let me know if its
> > > otherwise
> > > > in your individual capacity). Kindly find my comments below:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Elkins
> > > <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Firstly, NomCom does not run the elections. The job
> > > of NomCom
> > > > (Nominations Committee) is to provide suitable
> > > candidates for
> > > > various
> > > > elections or appointments, Board Members, PDP
> > > Joint-Chairs,
> > > > and NRO/ASO
> > > > representatives.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Although nomcom may seem to mean what you indicated above.
> > > However
> > > > nomcom according to the AFRINIC website means this:
> > > > The NomCom (Nominations and Elections Committee)
> > > [1]Functions of the
> > > > Nomination Committee:
> > >
> > > > * The Nom Com shall
> > > > * use its best effort towards ensuring that a
> > > > satisfactory number of individuals from the
> > > African
> > > > internet community stand as candidate for
> > > the election
> > > > of the directors of AFRINIC.
> > >
> > > > * have general responsibility for, and shall
> > > supervise
> > > > the conduct of the polls by the election
> > > Committee on
> > > > election day.
> > > > Although the second role seem to imply that there is another
> > > team
> > > > called "election committee" and at this point, i seem to be
> > > lost on
> > > > how that committee come to play. Nevertheless its still
> > > clear that
> > > > your team coordinates the process and your role exceeds what
> > > you have
> > > > stated above.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK - let me use less of my own words and quote from the
> > > Bylaws...
> > >
> > > 9 THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE
> > > There shall be a Nomination Committee (NomCom), which shall
> > > consist of a
> > > chairman and three other members as appointed by the Board and
> > > composed of qualified and experienced persons. The Board shall
> > > make a
> > > public call for voluntary nomination from the African Internet
> > > Community.
> > >
> > > 10 ELECTION COMMITTEE
> > > There shall be an election committee comprising of such staff
> > > members of
> > > AFRINIC as may be designated by the Chief Executive Officer.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the opportunity to participate in
> > > nomcom.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are some logistics which people may be
> > > missing.
> > > > I see that there is a goal to move to 100%
> > > electronic voting,
> > > > however
> > > > until then.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes thats the final desire,(which will perhaps require the
> > > blessings
> > > > of BoD) but that is not the request for this upcoming
> > > election.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Practically, the e-vote needs to be terminated some
> > > time
> > > > before people collect their ballot papers. This is
> > > so that the
> > > > ballot papers can be provided only to those entities
> > > allowed
> > > > to vote because they have not
> > > > yet exercised that right via the e-vote. In order to
> > > do this,
> > > > logically, one needs to see which entities have used
> > > the
> > > > e-vote so their representatives are not also given a
> > > ballot
> > > > paper to vote with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I still find it not convincing that the termination of
> > > e-voting is the
> > > > only way to avoid multiple voting. Especially since it is
> > > clear that
> > > > you go through a process before you can do e-voting, and it
> > > is
> > > > expected that anyone that opt for e-voting obviously doesn't
> > > want to
> > > > paper ballot. So its clear those to give paper ballot can be
> > > known
> > > > easily.
> > > >
> > > > What needs to be avoided is having privileged prior
> > > knowledge of the
> > > > e-voting status, your comment above doesn't prevent that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From a convenience point of view, the e-vote cut-off
> > > time is
> > > > the evening before voting day. Names can then be
> > > checked. From
> > > > the morning of voting day, paper ballots are issued
> > > to all
> > > > still legible voters. This takes time. Paper Ballots
> > > are
> > > > carried by their owners until they are "exercised"
> > > later on in
> > > > the afternoon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please see my comment above about why i think we don't have
> > > to count
> > > > the e-votes just to get the numbers of those who used the
> > > e-voting
> > > > platform. Even if you don't think that option is totally
> > > perfect
> > > > (because some would already gotten their BPKI) then the
> > > voting
> > > > platform should be able clearly separate actual voting
> > > result from
> > > > from users(members) who has actually voted. Considering the
> > > level of
> > > > technicality already exhibited on the e-voting platform, i
> > > believe a
> > > > feature like that is the least challenge of the technical
> > > team (if it
> > > > doesn't already exist).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess that in the process of checking the names of
> > > entities
> > > > who have e-voted, one may also know how they have
> > > voted
> > > > (though I might be wrong). I personally have no
> > > issues with
> > > > this as long as the e-vote
> > > > results are kept strictly confidential (as has been
> > > done).Once
> > > > all the paper ballots have been submitted and
> > > counted, the
> > > > results of the two systems can be safely merged into
> > > one
> > > > election result and announced.
> > > >
> > > > Kindly refer to my comment above; keeping the e-vote
> > > confidential is
> > > > the main goal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Due to the fact that I represent more than one
> > > entity, I have
> > > > more than one vote to cast. Last year, I cast some
> > > by e-vote
> > > > and some by ballot paper. I was happy to see that
> > > the system
> > > > worked.
> > > >
> > > > I did mine via e-voting and i believe no body who has used
> > > the
> > > > e-voting platform would deny that it was quite functional. I
> > > was
> > > > however surprised at the AGM when it was said that the
> > > voting system
> > > > closed and the result counted. The way i know that election
> > > is done is
> > > > that you count votes in the presence of the voters (or at
> > > least before
> > > > the candidates party representatives). On that basis as an
> > > individual
> > > > and member i wouldn't know whether something has happened to
> > > my votes
> > > > (although the platform worked).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Before asking for change, please carefully consider
> > > how one
> > > > might do this better whilst we have both e-votes and
> > > paper
> > > > ballot votes.
> > > >
> > > > Nobody, and certainly not me is asking us to move to 100%
> > > e-votes for
> > > > now (but we agree its something to consider for future).
> > > What we are
> > > > saying is that you while may stop e-voting at a point (which
> > > i find
> > > > un-necessary though) the opening of the e-voting voting
> > > status by the
> > > > 3-trustees should be done the same time the paper ballot is
> > > counted.
> > >
> > > > ... and I believe I have the general details and
> > > reasoning
> > > > correct... :-)
> > >
> > > > Not quite Mark as i think you perceive we are calling for
> > > 100%
> > > > electronic voting which is not the case.
> > >
> > >
> > > My own personal thoughts..... (Lots of 'I')
> > >
> > > I believe Owen makes a good case for running e-voting to the
> > > end of the
> > > election time.
> > >
> > > However, it does appear to me to make things more complicated.
> > > I can not quantify to myself though how useful it would
> > > practically be.
> > > I have no idea what technical changes would be necessary and
> > > if AFRINIC
> > > is going to change something - I'd rather see it spend the
> > > energy going
> > > to a full e-voting solution.
> > >
> > > E-vote starts 10 days before the elections. I see it as a very
> > > suitable
> > > replacement for Proxies or for those that can not attend.
> > > Extending it to the last second will possibly encourage people
> > > to wait
> > > for the last second. I personally prefer the way it currently
> > > is which
> > > gives a few hours in case of technical difficulties.
> > > I like the KISS principal.
> > >
> > > The AFRINIC website does state that e-votes and the people who
> > > have cast
> > > them are not conjoined. As I don't know how the software
> > > actually
> > > functions, I can not comment further.
> > > http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting
> > > (last line)
> > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark J Elkins - AFRINIC 2014 Nominations Committee Chair
> > > mje at posix.co.za - nomcom2014 (at) afrinic.net
> > > Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Seun Ojedeji,
> > > Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> > > web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> > > Mobile: +2348035233535
> > > alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
> > >
> > > The key to understanding is humility - my view !
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> > mje at posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
> > For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
> >
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