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Election process (was re: [rpd] AFRINIC Board Elections - 2014: Call for Nominations)
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Sat May 10 16:49:19 UTC 2014
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kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 10 May 2014 16:00, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > Will that be possible without any complication?
>
> I believe that this is possible.
>
> So from this year, the three trustees will "unlock" the e-voting results
> at approximately the same time as the paper ballots are counted.
>
Thank you Mr chair!
This is good progress, other recommendations for future elections (after
this year) may then be put forward during the AGM.
Best regards
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > 1. www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 12:42 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > > Hello Mark,
> > >
> > >
> > > First considering that i wrote to chair (you) and nomcom, i
> > assume
> > > this response is on behalf of nomcom (do let me know if its
> > otherwise
> > > in your individual capacity). Kindly find my comments below:
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Elkins
> > <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Firstly, NomCom does not run the elections. The job
> > of NomCom
> > > (Nominations Committee) is to provide suitable
> > candidates for
> > > various
> > > elections or appointments, Board Members, PDP
> > Joint-Chairs,
> > > and NRO/ASO
> > > representatives.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Although nomcom may seem to mean what you indicated above.
> > However
> > > nomcom according to the AFRINIC website means this:
> > > The NomCom (Nominations and Elections Committee)
> > [1]Functions of the
> > > Nomination Committee:
> >
> > > * The Nom Com shall
> > > * use its best effort towards ensuring that a
> > > satisfactory number of individuals from the
> > African
> > > internet community stand as candidate for
> > the election
> > > of the directors of AFRINIC.
> >
> > > * have general responsibility for, and shall
> > supervise
> > > the conduct of the polls by the election
> > Committee on
> > > election day.
> > > Although the second role seem to imply that there is another
> > team
> > > called "election committee" and at this point, i seem to be
> > lost on
> > > how that committee come to play. Nevertheless its still
> > clear that
> > > your team coordinates the process and your role exceeds what
> > you have
> > > stated above.
> >
> >
> > OK - let me use less of my own words and quote from the
> > Bylaws...
> >
> > 9 THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE
> > There shall be a Nomination Committee (NomCom), which shall
> > consist of a
> > chairman and three other members as appointed by the Board and
> > composed of qualified and experienced persons. The Board shall
> > make a
> > public call for voluntary nomination from the African Internet
> > Community.
> >
> > 10 ELECTION COMMITTEE
> > There shall be an election committee comprising of such staff
> > members of
> > AFRINIC as may be designated by the Chief Executive Officer.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the opportunity to participate in
> > nomcom.
> > >
> > >
> > > There are some logistics which people may be
> > missing.
> > > I see that there is a goal to move to 100%
> > electronic voting,
> > > however
> > > until then.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes thats the final desire,(which will perhaps require the
> > blessings
> > > of BoD) but that is not the request for this upcoming
> > election.
> > >
> > >
> > > Practically, the e-vote needs to be terminated some
> > time
> > > before people collect their ballot papers. This is
> > so that the
> > > ballot papers can be provided only to those entities
> > allowed
> > > to vote because they have not
> > > yet exercised that right via the e-vote. In order to
> > do this,
> > > logically, one needs to see which entities have used
> > the
> > > e-vote so their representatives are not also given a
> > ballot
> > > paper to vote with.
> > >
> > >
> > > I still find it not convincing that the termination of
> > e-voting is the
> > > only way to avoid multiple voting. Especially since it is
> > clear that
> > > you go through a process before you can do e-voting, and it
> > is
> > > expected that anyone that opt for e-voting obviously doesn't
> > want to
> > > paper ballot. So its clear those to give paper ballot can be
> > known
> > > easily.
> > >
> > > What needs to be avoided is having privileged prior
> > knowledge of the
> > > e-voting status, your comment above doesn't prevent that.
> > >
> > >
> > > From a convenience point of view, the e-vote cut-off
> > time is
> > > the evening before voting day. Names can then be
> > checked. From
> > > the morning of voting day, paper ballots are issued
> > to all
> > > still legible voters. This takes time. Paper Ballots
> > are
> > > carried by their owners until they are "exercised"
> > later on in
> > > the afternoon.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please see my comment above about why i think we don't have
> > to count
> > > the e-votes just to get the numbers of those who used the
> > e-voting
> > > platform. Even if you don't think that option is totally
> > perfect
> > > (because some would already gotten their BPKI) then the
> > voting
> > > platform should be able clearly separate actual voting
> > result from
> > > from users(members) who has actually voted. Considering the
> > level of
> > > technicality already exhibited on the e-voting platform, i
> > believe a
> > > feature like that is the least challenge of the technical
> > team (if it
> > > doesn't already exist).
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess that in the process of checking the names of
> > entities
> > > who have e-voted, one may also know how they have
> > voted
> > > (though I might be wrong). I personally have no
> > issues with
> > > this as long as the e-vote
> > > results are kept strictly confidential (as has been
> > done).Once
> > > all the paper ballots have been submitted and
> > counted, the
> > > results of the two systems can be safely merged into
> > one
> > > election result and announced.
> > >
> > > Kindly refer to my comment above; keeping the e-vote
> > confidential is
> > > the main goal.
> > >
> > >
> > > Due to the fact that I represent more than one
> > entity, I have
> > > more than one vote to cast. Last year, I cast some
> > by e-vote
> > > and some by ballot paper. I was happy to see that
> > the system
> > > worked.
> > >
> > > I did mine via e-voting and i believe no body who has used
> > the
> > > e-voting platform would deny that it was quite functional. I
> > was
> > > however surprised at the AGM when it was said that the
> > voting system
> > > closed and the result counted. The way i know that election
> > is done is
> > > that you count votes in the presence of the voters (or at
> > least before
> > > the candidates party representatives). On that basis as an
> > individual
> > > and member i wouldn't know whether something has happened to
> > my votes
> > > (although the platform worked).
> > >
> > >
> > > Before asking for change, please carefully consider
> > how one
> > > might do this better whilst we have both e-votes and
> > paper
> > > ballot votes.
> > >
> > > Nobody, and certainly not me is asking us to move to 100%
> > e-votes for
> > > now (but we agree its something to consider for future).
> > What we are
> > > saying is that you while may stop e-voting at a point (which
> > i find
> > > un-necessary though) the opening of the e-voting voting
> > status by the
> > > 3-trustees should be done the same time the paper ballot is
> > counted.
> >
> > > ... and I believe I have the general details and
> > reasoning
> > > correct... :-)
> >
> > > Not quite Mark as i think you perceive we are calling for
> > 100%
> > > electronic voting which is not the case.
> >
> >
> > My own personal thoughts..... (Lots of 'I')
> >
> > I believe Owen makes a good case for running e-voting to the
> > end of the
> > election time.
> >
> > However, it does appear to me to make things more complicated.
> > I can not quantify to myself though how useful it would
> > practically be.
> > I have no idea what technical changes would be necessary and
> > if AFRINIC
> > is going to change something - I'd rather see it spend the
> > energy going
> > to a full e-voting solution.
> >
> > E-vote starts 10 days before the elections. I see it as a very
> > suitable
> > replacement for Proxies or for those that can not attend.
> > Extending it to the last second will possibly encourage people
> > to wait
> > for the last second. I personally prefer the way it currently
> > is which
> > gives a few hours in case of technical difficulties.
> > I like the KISS principal.
> >
> > The AFRINIC website does state that e-votes and the people who
> > have cast
> > them are not conjoined. As I don't know how the software
> > actually
> > functions, I can not comment further.
> >
http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting
> > (last line)
> >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mark J Elkins - AFRINIC 2014 Nominations Committee Chair
> > mje at posix.co.za - nomcom2014 (at) afrinic.net
> > Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Seun Ojedeji,
> > Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> > web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> > Mobile: +2348035233535
> > alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
> >
> > The key to understanding is humility - my view !
> >
> >
>
> --
> Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> mje at posix.co.za Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496
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