<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Very good discussion and outcome though I am a little confused about decision procedure</div><div><br></div><div>What's the correct governance procedure on such? Is it the chair of nomcom that decides? Nomcom ? Election committee? or board decision</div><div><br></div><div>And, it would need to be well described and communicated</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Nii</div><div><br>On May 10, 2014, at 16:49, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.<br>
On 10 May 2014 16:00, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Will that be possible without any complication?<br>
><br>
> I believe that this is possible.<br>
><br>
> So from this year, the three trustees will "unlock" the e-voting results<br>
> at approximately the same time as the paper ballots are counted.<br>
><br>
Thank you Mr chair! </p>
<p dir="ltr">This is good progress, other recommendations for future elections (after this year) may then be put forward during the AGM.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best regards<br>
> > Thanks<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> > 1. <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom">www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 12:42 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> > > Hello Mark,<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > First considering that i wrote to chair (you) and nomcom, i<br>
> > assume<br>
> > > this response is on behalf of nomcom (do let me know if its<br>
> > otherwise<br>
> > > in your individual capacity). Kindly find my comments below:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Elkins<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Firstly, NomCom does not run the elections. The job<br>
> > of NomCom<br>
> > > (Nominations Committee) is to provide suitable<br>
> > candidates for<br>
> > > various<br>
> > > elections or appointments, Board Members, PDP<br>
> > Joint-Chairs,<br>
> > > and NRO/ASO<br>
> > > representatives.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Although nomcom may seem to mean what you indicated above.<br>
> > However<br>
> > > nomcom according to the AFRINIC website means this:<br>
> > > The NomCom (Nominations and Elections Committee)<br>
> > [1]Functions of the<br>
> > > Nomination Committee:<br>
> ><br>
> > > * The Nom Com shall<br>
> > > * use its best effort towards ensuring that a<br>
> > > satisfactory number of individuals from the<br>
> > African<br>
> > > internet community stand as candidate for<br>
> > the election<br>
> > > of the directors of AFRINIC.<br>
> ><br>
> > > * have general responsibility for, and shall<br>
> > supervise<br>
> > > the conduct of the polls by the election<br>
> > Committee on<br>
> > > election day.<br>
> > > Although the second role seem to imply that there is another<br>
> > team<br>
> > > called "election committee" and at this point, i seem to be<br>
> > lost on<br>
> > > how that committee come to play. Nevertheless its still<br>
> > clear that<br>
> > > your team coordinates the process and your role exceeds what<br>
> > you have<br>
> > > stated above.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > OK - let me use less of my own words and quote from the<br>
> > Bylaws...<br>
> ><br>
> > 9 THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE<br>
> > There shall be a Nomination Committee (NomCom), which shall<br>
> > consist of a<br>
> > chairman and three other members as appointed by the Board and<br>
> > composed of qualified and experienced persons. The Board shall<br>
> > make a<br>
> > public call for voluntary nomination from the African Internet<br>
> > Community.<br>
> ><br>
> > 10 ELECTION COMMITTEE<br>
> > There shall be an election committee comprising of such staff<br>
> > members of<br>
> > AFRINIC as may be designated by the Chief Executive Officer.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Thanks for the opportunity to participate in<br>
> > nomcom.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > There are some logistics which people may be<br>
> > missing.<br>
> > > I see that there is a goal to move to 100%<br>
> > electronic voting,<br>
> > > however<br>
> > > until then.....<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Yes thats the final desire,(which will perhaps require the<br>
> > blessings<br>
> > > of BoD) but that is not the request for this upcoming<br>
> > election.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Practically, the e-vote needs to be terminated some<br>
> > time<br>
> > > before people collect their ballot papers. This is<br>
> > so that the<br>
> > > ballot papers can be provided only to those entities<br>
> > allowed<br>
> > > to vote because they have not<br>
> > > yet exercised that right via the e-vote. In order to<br>
> > do this,<br>
> > > logically, one needs to see which entities have used<br>
> > the<br>
> > > e-vote so their representatives are not also given a<br>
> > ballot<br>
> > > paper to vote with.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > I still find it not convincing that the termination of<br>
> > e-voting is the<br>
> > > only way to avoid multiple voting. Especially since it is<br>
> > clear that<br>
> > > you go through a process before you can do e-voting, and it<br>
> > is<br>
> > > expected that anyone that opt for e-voting obviously doesn't<br>
> > want to<br>
> > > paper ballot. So its clear those to give paper ballot can be<br>
> > known<br>
> > > easily.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > What needs to be avoided is having privileged prior<br>
> > knowledge of the<br>
> > > e-voting status, your comment above doesn't prevent that.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > From a convenience point of view, the e-vote cut-off<br>
> > time is<br>
> > > the evening before voting day. Names can then be<br>
> > checked. From<br>
> > > the morning of voting day, paper ballots are issued<br>
> > to all<br>
> > > still legible voters. This takes time. Paper Ballots<br>
> > are<br>
> > > carried by their owners until they are "exercised"<br>
> > later on in<br>
> > > the afternoon.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Please see my comment above about why i think we don't have<br>
> > to count<br>
> > > the e-votes just to get the numbers of those who used the<br>
> > e-voting<br>
> > > platform. Even if you don't think that option is totally<br>
> > perfect<br>
> > > (because some would already gotten their BPKI) then the<br>
> > voting<br>
> > > platform should be able clearly separate actual voting<br>
> > result from<br>
> > > from users(members) who has actually voted. Considering the<br>
> > level of<br>
> > > technicality already exhibited on the e-voting platform, i<br>
> > believe a<br>
> > > feature like that is the least challenge of the technical<br>
> > team (if it<br>
> > > doesn't already exist).<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > I guess that in the process of checking the names of<br>
> > entities<br>
> > > who have e-voted, one may also know how they have<br>
> > voted<br>
> > > (though I might be wrong). I personally have no<br>
> > issues with<br>
> > > this as long as the e-vote<br>
> > > results are kept strictly confidential (as has been<br>
> > done).Once<br>
> > > all the paper ballots have been submitted and<br>
> > counted, the<br>
> > > results of the two systems can be safely merged into<br>
> > one<br>
> > > election result and announced.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Kindly refer to my comment above; keeping the e-vote<br>
> > confidential is<br>
> > > the main goal.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Due to the fact that I represent more than one<br>
> > entity, I have<br>
> > > more than one vote to cast. Last year, I cast some<br>
> > by e-vote<br>
> > > and some by ballot paper. I was happy to see that<br>
> > the system<br>
> > > worked.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I did mine via e-voting and i believe no body who has used<br>
> > the<br>
> > > e-voting platform would deny that it was quite functional. I<br>
> > was<br>
> > > however surprised at the AGM when it was said that the<br>
> > voting system<br>
> > > closed and the result counted. The way i know that election<br>
> > is done is<br>
> > > that you count votes in the presence of the voters (or at<br>
> > least before<br>
> > > the candidates party representatives). On that basis as an<br>
> > individual<br>
> > > and member i wouldn't know whether something has happened to<br>
> > my votes<br>
> > > (although the platform worked).<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Before asking for change, please carefully consider<br>
> > how one<br>
> > > might do this better whilst we have both e-votes and<br>
> > paper<br>
> > > ballot votes.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Nobody, and certainly not me is asking us to move to 100%<br>
> > e-votes for<br>
> > > now (but we agree its something to consider for future).<br>
> > What we are<br>
> > > saying is that you while may stop e-voting at a point (which<br>
> > i find<br>
> > > un-necessary though) the opening of the e-voting voting<br>
> > status by the<br>
> > > 3-trustees should be done the same time the paper ballot is<br>
> > counted.<br>
> ><br>
> > > ... and I believe I have the general details and<br>
> > reasoning<br>
> > > correct... :-)<br>
> ><br>
> > > Not quite Mark as i think you perceive we are calling for<br>
> > 100%<br>
> > > electronic voting which is not the case.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > My own personal thoughts..... (Lots of 'I')<br>
> ><br>
> > I believe Owen makes a good case for running e-voting to the<br>
> > end of the<br>
> > election time.<br>
> ><br>
> > However, it does appear to me to make things more complicated.<br>
> > I can not quantify to myself though how useful it would<br>
> > practically be.<br>
> > I have no idea what technical changes would be necessary and<br>
> > if AFRINIC<br>
> > is going to change something - I'd rather see it spend the<br>
> > energy going<br>
> > to a full e-voting solution.<br>
> ><br>
> > E-vote starts 10 days before the elections. I see it as a very<br>
> > suitable<br>
> > replacement for Proxies or for those that can not attend.<br>
> > Extending it to the last second will possibly encourage people<br>
> > to wait<br>
> > for the last second. I personally prefer the way it currently<br>
> > is which<br>
> > gives a few hours in case of technical difficulties.<br>
> > I like the KISS principal.<br>
> ><br>
> > The AFRINIC website does state that e-votes and the people who<br>
> > have cast<br>
> > them are not conjoined. As I don't know how the software<br>
> > actually<br>
> > functions, I can not comment further.<br>
> > <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting">http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting</a><br>
> > (last line)<br>
> ><br>
> > > Thanks<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Kind Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Mark J Elkins - AFRINIC 2014 Nominations Committee Chair<br>
> > <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - nomcom2014 (at) <a href="http://afrinic.net">afrinic.net</a><br>
> > Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > Seun Ojedeji,<br>
> > Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
> > web: <a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
> > Mobile: +2348035233535<br>
> > alt email: <a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
> ><br>
> > The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
> <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496<br>
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