[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Owen DeLong]

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:14 , Sylvain Baya <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Dear AfriNIC's Community,

> 

> Le mercredi 28 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>> a écrit :

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> You’re not answering the question I asked…

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> Hi Owen,

> Thanks for your email, brother!

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> What is your basis in policy for claiming that a VM is OK, but leasing addresses without providing connectivity

> services is not?

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> 

> ...you might have forgotten about a simple notion, 

> called: conservation. You shall recognize it as it has

>  been refered out there as *Reservations*.


I have not forgotten, but we are not talking about reservation. We are talking about deployment on an actual
host connected to the internet for legitimate use. The difference… The only difference… Is that the
connectivity service does not come from the same provider as the addresses.



> 

> Please read again the CPM at section 5:

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> ~°~

> [...]

> • 5.5.1.4.1 An LIR may receive an additional allocation when about 80% of

> all the address space currently allocated to it has been used in valid

> assignments and/or sub-allocations.

> • 5.5.1.4.2 *Reservations* are not considered as valid assignments or

> sub-allocations.

> [...]

> ~°~

> 


Yep… that’s not a prohibition on valid assignment and/or sub allocation independent of
connectivity services, that’s a prohibition of addresses not being attached to hosts.


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> It’s simply not prohibited anywhere in policy.

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> Are you serious?

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> ...going further, along with what i wrote above, note 

> that *conservation* is not valid, that appears to be 

> the best description of leasing...of INRs.


Nope… It’s not a good description at all. Reservations (as prohibited in 5.5.1.4.2) refers
to addresses set aside for later use…Addresses not currently assigned to active hosts.

Such is not the case with leasing. With leasing, the addresses are assigned to hosts active
on the internet, but the hosts may be getting their connectivity from a different provider than
they are getting the addresses from.


> Those who are charged to implement the CPM have

>  indicated the same. Could you, please, show us 

> where the CPM allows it?


If they have indicated this, then they are simply in error as that is not what it actually says.
I have not noticed AFRINIC staff referring to this section as prohibiting leasing, but perhaps
their reference escaped me at some point.

It does not need to be specifically permitted. That which is not prohibited is permitted implicitly.

Unless there is an explicit requirement in the CPM that hosts receive connectivity services from
the same provider which provides their addresses, then independent assignment is inherently
permitted and this is the current state.

I hope you now understand the difference between a reservation (holding unused addresses,
such as what Seacom and many others are doing) vs. providing addresses that are actually 
in use, but not simultaneously providing transit or transport services.

Owen


> 

> Shalom,

> --sb.

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>> Or wait... I can not find this so-called LIR Cloud Innovation Limited with offices in Seychelles using this BGP tool.

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>> https://bgp.he.net/country/SC <https://bgp.he.net/country/SC>

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> And?

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> Owen

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