<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:14 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Dear AfriNIC's Community,<br class=""><br class="">Le mercredi 28 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><br class=""></div>[...]</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>You’re not answering the question I asked…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi Owen,</div><div class="">Thanks for your email, brother!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">What is your basis in policy for claiming that a VM is OK, but leasing addresses without providing connectivity</div><div class="">services is not?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...you might have forgotten about a simple notion, </div><div class="">called: conservation. You shall recognize it as it has</div><div class=""> been refered out there as *Reservations*.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I have not forgotten, but we are not talking about reservation. We are talking about deployment on an actual</div><div>host connected to the internet for legitimate use. The difference… The only difference… Is that the</div><div>connectivity service does not come from the same provider as the addresses.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please read again the CPM at section 5:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class="">[...]<br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.4.1 An LIR may receive an additional allocation when about 80% of</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">all the address space currently allocated to it has been used in valid</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">assignments and/or sub-allocations.</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">• 5.5.1.4.2 *Reservations* are not considered as valid assignments or</span><br style="font-family:"Times New Roman"" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">sub-allocations.</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: inherit;" class="">[...]</span></div><div class="">~°~</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yep… that’s not a prohibition on valid assignment and/or sub allocation independent of</div><div>connectivity services, that’s a prohibition of addresses not being attached to hosts.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">It’s simply not prohibited anywhere in policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Are you serious?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">...going further, along with what i wrote above, note </div><div class="">that *conservation* is not valid, that appears to be </div><div class="">the best description of leasing...of INRs.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Nope… It’s not a good description at all. Reservations (as prohibited in 5.5.1.4.2) refers</div><div>to addresses set aside for later use…Addresses not currently assigned to active hosts.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Such is not the case with leasing. With leasing, the addresses are assigned to hosts active</div><div>on the internet, but the hosts may be getting their connectivity from a different provider than</div><div>they are getting the addresses from.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Those who are charged to implement the CPM have</div><div class=""> indicated the same. Could you, please, show us </div><div class="">where the CPM allows it?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>If they have indicated this, then they are simply in error as that is not what it actually says.</div><div>I have not noticed AFRINIC staff referring to this section as prohibiting leasing, but perhaps</div><div>their reference escaped me at some point.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It does not need to be specifically permitted. That which is not prohibited is permitted implicitly.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Unless there is an explicit requirement in the CPM that hosts receive connectivity services from</div><div>the same provider which provides their addresses, then independent assignment is inherently</div><div>permitted and this is the current state.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I hope you now understand the difference between a reservation (holding unused addresses,</div><div>such as what Seacom and many others are doing) vs. providing addresses that are actually </div><div>in use, but not simultaneously providing transit or transport services.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Shalom,</div><div class="">--sb.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Or wait... I can not find this so-called LIR <b class="">Cloud Innovation Limited</b> with offices in Seychelles using this BGP tool.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class=""><a href="https://bgp.he.net/country/SC" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://bgp.he.net/country/SC</a><br class=""></b></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>And?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""> [...]</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">-- <br class="">--<p class="">Best Regards !<br class="">__<br class="">baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure" class="">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br class="">Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/" class="">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br class="">__<br class="">#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br class="">#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br class="">«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br class=""><br class=""></p>
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