[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business
owen at delong.com
Tue Jul 27 05:24:32 UTC 2021
If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider the amount of space
Non-LIRs (end users):
Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:
Amateur Radio (AMPR)
The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the above organizations.
> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com> wrote:
> Hi Ronald
> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block allocated. This is not in 199x year.
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:
> In message <CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>
> Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >This is a direct violation of the CoC.
> No, actually, it isn't.
> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of
> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is effectively
> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any number of
> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.)
> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an
> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the
> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then what
> is next? Book burning?
> >Disclosing such information and data without the company's consent is a
> >clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the
> >concerned person.
> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different obvious
> logical problems.
> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about what various
> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,
> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is the nature
> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private intranet,
> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last
> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the minute any
> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it
> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange for being
> a part of, and a participant on this great communications experiment we
> call the Internet.
> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud Innovation.
> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself that well
> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4
> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is not a state
> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100% public
> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same information.
> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its
> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific
> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,
> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, the
> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. But the
> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned
> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the available
> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to portray
> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.
> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained in the
> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences
> on the concerned person."
> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting to was
> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the
> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,
> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried about
> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit
> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory
> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to express
> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?
> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner appears
> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless censorship.
> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all of the
> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to
> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.
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