[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Tue Jul 27 07:31:52 UTC 2021

Hi,

did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect
our customers in Africa" ?

Did CI?

Thanks,
Frank

PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing
just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:
> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider
> the amount of space
> held by:
> 
> Non-LIRs (end users):
> Hewlett Packard
> Apple Computer
> 
> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:
> Amateur Radio (AMPR)
> 
> LIRs:
> XFINITY/Comcast
> Verizon
> Akamai
> XO Communications
> Amazon
> Microsoft
> Google
> etc.
> 
> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the
> above organizations.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com
>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ronald
>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a
>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block
>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette
>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     In message
>>     <CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>
>>     Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     >This is a direct violation of the CoC.
>>
>>     No, actually, it isn't.
>>
>>     The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of
>>     it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is
>>     effectively
>>     public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any
>>     number of
>>     public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.)
>>
>>     If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an
>>     affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the
>>     telescope and then just describe what they saw?  And if so, then what
>>     is next?  Book burning?
>>
>>     >Disclosing such information and data without the company's
>>     consent is a
>>     >clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the
>>     >concerned person.
>>
>>     OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different
>>     obvious
>>     logical problems.
>>
>>     First, the Internet is *not* a private network.  Fact's about what
>>     various
>>     companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,
>>     without needing the consent of the companies inolved.  That is the
>>     nature
>>     of the Internet.  If you want to run your own closed private intranet,
>>     then go head.  Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last
>>     detail of your corporate operations utterly secret.  But the
>>     minute any
>>     company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it
>>     *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange
>>     for being
>>     a part of, and a participant on this great communications
>>     experiment we
>>     call the Internet.
>>
>>     I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud
>>     Innovation.
>>     And yet even well before today I already determined for myself
>>     that well
>>     more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4
>>     address space was being deployed to other continents.  This is not
>>     a state
>>     secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%
>>     public
>>     sources.  Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same
>>     information.
>>
>>     Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its
>>     assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific
>>     RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,
>>     and one which I myself do not have an answer to.  In any case, the
>>     courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. 
>>     But the
>>     mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned
>>     resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the
>>     available
>>     public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets.  Any attempt to portray
>>     them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.
>>
>>     The second logical problem with the statement above is contained
>>     in the
>>     part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal
>>     consequences
>>     on the concerned person."
>>
>>     Exactly so!  If the guy who posted the material you are reacting
>>     to was
>>     willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the
>>     possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,
>>     then why are YOU worried about it?  Why should AFRINIC be worried
>>     about
>>     it?  Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit
>>     is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory
>>     text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to
>>     express
>>     his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?
>>
>>     Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner
>>     appears
>>     to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless
>>     censorship.
>>
>>     I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all
>>     of the
>>     issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to
>>     muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.
>>
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     rfg
>>
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