[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

[Frank Habicht]

Hi,

did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect
our customers in Africa" ?

Did CI?

Thanks,
Frank

PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing
just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:

> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider

> the amount of space

> held by:

> 

> Non-LIRs (end users):

> Hewlett Packard

> Apple Computer

> 

> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:

> Amateur Radio (AMPR)

> 

> LIRs:

> XFINITY/Comcast

> Verizon

> Akamai

> XO Communications

> Amazon

> Microsoft

> Google

> etc.

> 

> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the

> above organizations.

> 

> Owen

> 

> 

>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com

>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Ronald

>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a

>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block

>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.

>>

>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette

>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:

>>

>>     In message

>>     <CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>

>>     Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com

>>     <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>>     >This is a direct violation of the CoC.

>>

>>     No, actually, it isn't.

>>

>>     The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of

>>     it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is

>>     effectively

>>     public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any

>>     number of

>>     public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.)

>>

>>     If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an

>>     affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the

>>     telescope and then just describe what they saw?  And if so, then what

>>     is next?  Book burning?

>>

>>     >Disclosing such information and data without the company's

>>     consent is a

>>     >clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>>     >concerned person.

>>

>>     OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different

>>     obvious

>>     logical problems.

>>

>>     First, the Internet is *not* a private network.  Fact's about what

>>     various

>>     companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,

>>     without needing the consent of the companies inolved.  That is the

>>     nature

>>     of the Internet.  If you want to run your own closed private intranet,

>>     then go head.  Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last

>>     detail of your corporate operations utterly secret.  But the

>>     minute any

>>     company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it

>>     *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange

>>     for being

>>     a part of, and a participant on this great communications

>>     experiment we

>>     call the Internet.

>>

>>     I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud

>>     Innovation.

>>     And yet even well before today I already determined for myself

>>     that well

>>     more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4

>>     address space was being deployed to other continents.  This is not

>>     a state

>>     secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%

>>     public

>>     sources.  Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same

>>     information.

>>

>>     Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its

>>     assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific

>>     RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,

>>     and one which I myself do not have an answer to.  In any case, the

>>     courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. 

>>     But the

>>     mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned

>>     resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the

>>     available

>>     public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets.  Any attempt to portray

>>     them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.

>>

>>     The second logical problem with the statement above is contained

>>     in the

>>     part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal

>>     consequences

>>     on the concerned person."

>>

>>     Exactly so!  If the guy who posted the material you are reacting

>>     to was

>>     willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the

>>     possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,

>>     then why are YOU worried about it?  Why should AFRINIC be worried

>>     about

>>     it?  Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit

>>     is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory

>>     text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to

>>     express

>>     his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?

>>

>>     Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner

>>     appears

>>     to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless

>>     censorship.

>>

>>     I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all

>>     of the

>>     issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to

>>     muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.

>>

>>

>>     Regards,

>>     rfg

>>

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