[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Frank Habicht geier at geier.ne.tz
Tue Jul 27 07:31:52 UTC 2021


did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect
our customers in Africa" ?

Did CI?


PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing
just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity.

On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote:

> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider

> the amount of space

> held by:


> Non-LIRs (end users):

> Hewlett Packard

> Apple Computer


> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not:

> Amateur Radio (AMPR)


> LIRs:

> XFINITY/Comcast

> Verizon

> Akamai

> XO Communications

> Amazon

> Microsoft

> Google

> etc.


> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the

> above organizations.


> Owen



>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <leoso at afcast.com

>> <mailto:leoso at afcast.com>> wrote:


>> Hi Ronald

>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a

>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block

>> allocated. This is not in 199x year.


>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette

>> <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> wrote:


>> In message

>> <CALm9Cbn+R9oen9+9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CALm9Cbn%2BR9oen9%2B9YBjfbK5gGTcmEmZ1yhxgDfw04OTC3MxeZg at mail.gmail.com>>

>> Meriem Dayday <meriemdayday at gmail.com

>> <mailto:meriemdayday at gmail.com>> wrote:


>> >This is a direct violation of the CoC.


>> No, actually, it isn't.


>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of

>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is

>> effectively

>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any

>> number of

>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.)


>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an

>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the

>> telescope and then just describe what they saw?  And if so, then what

>> is next?  Book burning?


>> >Disclosing such information and data without the company's

>> consent is a

>> >clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the

>> >concerned person.


>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different

>> obvious

>> logical problems.


>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network.  Fact's about what

>> various

>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn,

>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved.  That is the

>> nature

>> of the Internet.  If you want to run your own closed private intranet,

>> then go head.  Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last

>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret.  But the

>> minute any

>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it

>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange

>> for being

>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications

>> experiment we

>> call the Internet.


>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud

>> Innovation.

>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself

>> that well

>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4

>> address space was being deployed to other continents.  This is not

>> a state

>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100%

>> public

>> sources.  Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same

>> information.


>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its

>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific

>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question,

>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to.  In any case, the

>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. 

>> But the

>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned

>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the

>> available

>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets.  Any attempt to portray

>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship.


>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained

>> in the

>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal

>> consequences

>> on the concerned person."


>> Exactly so!  If the guy who posted the material you are reacting

>> to was

>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the

>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation,

>> then why are YOU worried about it?  Why should AFRINIC be worried

>> about

>> it?  Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit

>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory

>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to

>> express

>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?


>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner

>> appears

>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless

>> censorship.


>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all

>> of the

>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to

>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments.



>> Regards,

>> rfg


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