[Community-Discuss] Gems from the Archives

[Owen DeLong]

I have always called it as I see it. When Lu is wrong, I tell him so and if necessary, I say so.

When the AFRINIC board is wrong, I will tell them so and if necessary, I say so.

There is, indeed, from my perspective little difference between my comments about Lu
back then and my comments about the Board and Staff actions today. In each case,
mistakes were being made and actions were taken that should not.

As I have said on multiple occasions, while I don’t like many of the things Lu has done,
he has acted within the literal meaning of the governing documents. If AFRINIC wants
to prohibit out of region use, then there is a process for doing so. As yet, they have not
followed that process. If AFRINIC wants to prohibit the provision of addresses without
also providing connectivity, there is a process for doing so. As yet, they have not followed
that process.

The greatest danger in these processes is an RIR acting in a manner not prescribed by
its governing documents. I can’t and won’t speak to the motivations of others, but I
will say that the reason I took on this contract was because I truly believed (and still
believe) that it is vital to defend the community from an RIR that would act in such
a manner, regardless of what fraction of the community fails to recognize this fact.

There are very few checks and balances on RIRs. With one exception, this has been
largely a non-issue because most RIRs are very careful not to trample the rights of
their members and work diligently to adhere to their governing documents. IMHO,
it is in the vital interests of the internet to cure that exception, whether by force of
legal order, change of leadership, or some other as yet unknown process.

Owen


> On Aug 12, 2021, at 02:13 , Sylvain Baya <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Dear AfriNIC's Community, 

> 

> Please see my comments below, inline...

> 

> Le jeu. 12 août 2021 à 7:01 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>> a écrit :

> I myself only took an interest in AFRINIC starting about 2016. 

> 

> 

> Hi Ronald,

> Many thanks for sharing it, brother! 

> 

> 

> I have been hunting down snoweshoe spammeers since about 2004, but [...]

> 

> More recently of course, I have had some reason to take an interest, as

> I believe you all know.

> 

> [...]  In it, one particular persono (who I think we all

> know) directly accused another person (who I also think we all know) of

> being a "fraud"... his word, not mine... for having given a false physical

> location while attempting to run for what I gather was a (co-?) chair seat

> on the AFRINIC Policy Development Committee.

> 

> I am not persuaded that the poster in this case would be eager to repeat

> that claim now, given his rather different present circumtances.

>  

> 

> It's always good to have hopes :-/

> ...knowing that: "[...] Guessing is not the way [...]"

> 

> 

>     https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/003849.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/003849.html>

> 

>  

> 

> At that time it was just "an absurdity".

> 

> ...copy & paste the public archive here:

> 

> ~°~

> [rpd] Guessing is not the way to verify information

> 

> Owen DeLong owen at delong.com <mailto:rpd%40afrinic.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Brpd%5D%20Guessing%20is%20not%20the%20way%20to%20verify%20information&In-Reply-To=%3CF74847CD-0617-43D6-99EC-29E8BAE970F4%40delong.com%3E>

> Fri Jun 6 02:44:09 UTC 2014

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> That was said largely tongue in cheek and you failed to get it.

> The reality was that you made a fraudulent application claiming residency in a country where you have an office, but do not reside. Your fraud was noticed by the nominating committee and your candidacy was rejected.

> Then you accused them of guessing instead of asking you, so multiple people asked you. You basically refused to state your residency, but when finally pushed, you admitted that you did not live in the service region.

> 

> After that, the phrase "but he guessed right" was used as a semi-humorous retort to your continued and repeated accusation that he guessed. In reality, your fraud attempt was noted and you were removed from the slate for entirely legitimate reasons. The process worked and the correct outcome was achieved.

> 

> It's past time to move on from this absurdity.

> 

> Owen

> 

> 

> > On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd>> wrote:

> > 

> > Hey everybody:

> > 

> > Today on the floor that is a common said guessing is a way to

> > verifying information for noncom--as long as you guess it right.

> > 

> > I think it is not the right way of doing things. just a common.

> > 

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> > Lu

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> ~°~

> 

> That is a reason why, i and some others 

> are defending the integrity of our public 

> archives.

> 

> ...now! redondantly saved [1] since april 2015 ;-)

> Added, though [2] :-)

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> [1]: <https://kutt.it/RPD-Arc2014-003849 <https://kutt.it/RPD-Arc2014-003849>>

> [2]: <https://kutt.it/RPD-full-txt-Arc2014 <https://kutt.it/RPD-full-txt-Arc2014>>

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> Regards,

> rfg

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