<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have always called it as I see it. When Lu is wrong, I tell him so and if necessary, I say so.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">When the AFRINIC board is wrong, I will tell them so and if necessary, I say so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is, indeed, from my perspective little difference between my comments about Lu</div><div class="">back then and my comments about the Board and Staff actions today. In each case,</div><div class="">mistakes were being made and actions were taken that should not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As I have said on multiple occasions, while I don’t like many of the things Lu has done,</div><div class="">he has acted within the literal meaning of the governing documents. If AFRINIC wants</div><div class="">to prohibit out of region use, then there is a process for doing so. As yet, they have not</div><div class="">followed that process. If AFRINIC wants to prohibit the provision of addresses without</div><div class="">also providing connectivity, there is a process for doing so. As yet, they have not followed</div><div class="">that process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The greatest danger in these processes is an RIR acting in a manner not prescribed by</div><div class="">its governing documents. I can’t and won’t speak to the motivations of others, but I</div><div class="">will say that the reason I took on this contract was because I truly believed (and still</div><div class="">believe) that it is vital to defend the community from an RIR that would act in such</div><div class="">a manner, regardless of what fraction of the community fails to recognize this fact.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are very few checks and balances on RIRs. With one exception, this has been</div><div class="">largely a non-issue because most RIRs are very careful not to trample the rights of</div><div class="">their members and work diligently to adhere to their governing documents. IMHO,</div><div class="">it is in the vital interests of the internet to cure that exception, whether by force of</div><div class="">legal order, change of leadership, or some other as yet unknown process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 12, 2021, at 02:13 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" class="">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Dear AfriNIC's Community, <br class=""><br class="">Please see my comments below, inline...<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 12 août 2021 à 7:01 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank" class="">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> a écrit :<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I myself only took an interest in AFRINIC starting about 2016. </blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Ronald,</div><div dir="auto" class="">Many thanks for sharing it, brother! </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="">I have been hunting down snoweshoe spammeers since about 2004, but [...]<br class="">
<br class="">
More recently of course, I have had some reason to take an interest, as<br class="">
I believe you all know.<br class="">
<br class="">[...] In it, one particular persono (who I think we all<br class="">
know) directly accused another person (who I also think we all know) of<br class="">
being a "fraud"... his word, not mine... for having given a false physical<br class="">
location while attempting to run for what I gather was a (co-?) chair seat<br class="">
on the AFRINIC Policy Development Committee.<br class="">
<br class="">
I am not persuaded that the poster in this case would be eager to repeat<br class="">
that claim now, given his rather different present circumtances.<br class=""> <br class=""></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">It's always good to have hopes :-/</div><div dir="auto" class="">...knowing that: "[...] Guessing is not the way [...]"</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="">
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<br class=""> <br class=""></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">At that time it was just "an absurdity".</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">...copy & paste the public archive here:</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">~°~</div><div dir="auto" class=""><h1 style="font-family:"times new roman"" class="">[rpd] Guessing is not the way to verify information</h1><b style="font-family:"times new roman"" class="">Owen DeLong</b><span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> </span><a href="mailto:rpd%40afrinic.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Brpd%5D%20Guessing%20is%20not%20the%20way%20to%20verify%20information&In-Reply-To=%3CF74847CD-0617-43D6-99EC-29E8BAE970F4%40delong.com%3E" style="font-family:"times new roman"" target="_blank" class="">owen at delong.com</a><br style="font-family:"times new roman"" class=""><i style="font-family:"times new roman"" class="">Fri Jun 6 02:44:09 UTC 2014</i><span style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></span><div style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: inherit;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><ul style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: inherit;" class=""><li class="">Previous message: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/003848.html" target="_blank" class="">[rpd] Guessing is not the way to verify information</a></li><li class="">Next message: <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/003850.html" target="_blank" class="">[rpd] Guessing is not the way to verify information</a></li><li class=""><b class="">Messages sorted by:</b> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/date.html#3849" target="_blank" class="">[ date ]</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/thread.html#3849" target="_blank" class="">[ thread ]</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/subject.html#3849" target="_blank" class="">[ subject ]</a> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2014/author.html#3849" target="_blank" class="">[ author ]</a></li></ul><hr style="font-family: "times new roman"; font-size: inherit;" class=""><pre class="">That was said largely tongue in cheek and you failed to get it.</pre><pre class="">The reality was that you made a fraudulent application claiming residency in a country where you have an office, but do not reside. Your fraud was noticed by the nominating committee and your candidacy was rejected.</pre><pre class="">Then you accused them of guessing instead of asking you, so multiple people asked you. You basically refused to state your residency, but when finally pushed, you admitted that you did not live in the service region.
After that, the phrase "but he guessed right" was used as a semi-humorous retort to your continued and repeated accusation that he guessed. In reality, your fraud attempt was noted and you were removed from the slate for entirely legitimate reasons. The process worked and the correct outcome was achieved.
It's past time to move on from this absurdity.
Owen
><i class=""> On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Lu Heng <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" class="">h.lu at anytimechinese.com</a>> wrote:
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</i>><i class=""> Hey everybody:
</i>><i class="">
</i>><i class=""> Today on the floor that is a common said guessing is a way to
</i>><i class=""> verifying information for noncom--as long as you guess it right.
</i>><i class="">
</i>><i class=""> I think it is not the right way of doing things. just a common.
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Regards,<br class="">
rfg<br class="">[...]
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